ClimateSanity
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Ratings are down 17.5% since 2015 at this point in the season. I don't know what you consider as freefall but can you name any other two year period of time in NFL history when ratings took as deep a plunge as that?
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I agree with so much of that.
In any group there will be a few scoundrels that are divisive and need to be weeded out.
But for the most part, the NFL tried to maintain a certain aura of respectability and role models.
But they slowly started giving in to the ways of the world and have become just another corrupt greedy organization.
And I can see why some would like the sport (as it has become) to be brought down a notch, because it puts 'education' on the back burner, and promotes underhandedness.
What would most of these NFL protesting players do if there was no NFL?
What would they fall back on to support themselves?
Sure it does.
It would be patriotic to boo some fool shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater, or shouting "WOLF" when there is none.
They protested by dissing one of the most treasured symbols of our country.
They chose badly, and they are getting an earful of free speech as well.
Those are good articles too.
Thank you so muchh!
I wish more would take the data seriously.
There is so much data that states that it much more beneficial for children raised in homes with both parents, and how welfare promotes the dividing of the parents.
For those that claim they are so concerned for the children, they sure do put this data on the back burner (if they bother considering the data at all).
Nothing was happening on the anthem front in 2015. So the only reason to go back that far is to make the decline more dramatic. Ratings went down in 2015 without anyone kneeling. Why? I'll come back to the likely culprits and the as likely misapprehension in a moment.
Viewership has been declining in most sports over the past few years and for a number of reasons. I'm not suggesting that the knee jerking of activists hasn't been felt, only that the impact is fairly marginal and the declines were happening without it to some extent, if to a likely lesser extent than has been reported. I'll come back to why this is in a moment. This season, so far, active viewing is down 7.5% from last year, though it has rebounded of late and part of the reason for even that dip was the lackluster first couple of weeks, when it was down nearly 13%.
I'll be curious to see what interest is like as the games start to really separate the playoff contenders, without last year's distraction and with the kneeling movement having lost novelty and the issue as a lightning rod drawing less real heat.
A sharp, typically sudden statistical downturn. That's not what's happening here, where we've actually seen some rebound and where the overall decline precedes what some are attempting to call the effect. That sort of thing.
Not that I can think of, though baseball has had worse. To begin with, there's a general downturn in just about every sport in terms of active viewing, as I noted. Millenials aren't as joined at the hip as we are when it comes to viewing habits. Well, at least not in the traditional approach. What do I mean and why is that important?
A few points:
1. Nielsen doesn't factor mobile devices, which over the same last few years has become a way a great many people keep track of games, especially the younger set.
2. Cord cutters have impacted ratings, especially of NFL Network or ESPN generated games.
3. On top of that potential for statistical misread you had the domestic violence black eye, followed by a serious concussion concern that became a topic of moment for fans and parents of potential fans/players, then the anthem controversy. That much negative press over a couple of years is going to have an impact, even if that's largely in the soft viewership. It's still an important demo.
An interesting side bar that moves us toward alternate viewing, the worst downturn year, last year, saw 5% more viewers, an actual increase, but the overall viewership was watching less of any particular game. Forbes, Sept. 27, 2017 It makes me wonder if the Red Zone was such a good idea for the NFL, getting viewers accustomed to watching here and there and skipping out on the commercials and down time.
Also, among those who still typically use tvs to watch the game, an aging demographic but one with teeth and numbers, viewership is actually up this year. It's down among younger viewers who (again) may be watching but less of any particular and using other means than television.
So there's some reason to suspect that if (and that will shortly be a "when" for the NFL, driven by owners) we count in the alternative viewers and means and understand the last two years as being a melting pot of things that drove a perception, everyone will come to understand the sky is by no reasonable stretch of the imagination beginning to fall. Is the traditional dominance of the NFL in traditionally measurable means done? Maybe, but that's a horse of a different color and another race to run.
I wrote, "Getting your knickers in a twist over someone exercising their right to free speech doesn't make you patriotic."
No, it doesn't, because the people kneeling were exercising their patriotism by showing their support of one of its most important principles and doing it in the face of popular opposition, even in defiance of authority. It doesn't get more American than that. Love and devotion aren't only found in praise, but also in discipline. That can sometimes be a harsher measure, a judgment predicated on the expectation of better.
No, it wouldn't be "patriotic" unless you have a really bad dictionary. Also, your attempts at parallel aren't parallel given the empirical data on disparate, negative treatment for blacks and other minorities in this country.
Nothing in what they did attacked the anthem or the flag. And what they did was in service to the principles that make those symbols meaningful.
It's not the choice I'd have felt obliged to make, but I can respect it as an exercise in keeping with our traditions.
Maybe if they'd convert to Islam. Though I think they'll sell it as being more about an active protest, though on some level it really seems to be about a backlash caught up in the "privileged athlete" syndrome so many working stiffs have caught. It goes: these people are GIVEN (because they have to work in some sense of entitlement when we're speaking to a group of athletes dominated by black players) the opportunity to make millions and they turn their noses up at U.S., if you take my meaning.
There is an element in this country that is angry because it grew up in a society where it felt in control and no longer has the illusion for comfort. In their lifetime minorities of all sorts have become empowered and I think some of the aging, largely white population now feel a little helpless, usurped, when all they mostly are is contextualized in right, the way we always should have been. I've heard the "nothing satisfies THEM" sentiment all too often to fail to understand what's wrapped up in it.
As usual you over analysis is way off. Way off. You don't understand so you try to think your way to an answer. Did you watch the Larry Elder video? Of course not, you're smarter than him.
drbrumley
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Well said...From The Real Nature of Police Brutality in America and the Big Problem on Urban Streets
By Robert Wenzel
Economic Policy Journal
December 16, 2014
The real solution may be to strip police of much of their duties and in urban areas takeaway their cars. They should not be “crime fighters” enforcing every new government law on drug sales, selling of untaxed cigarette sales etc. They should not be crime solvers. They should be limited to the order-maintenance” of the old days. Indeed, the ultimate solution should be for each neighborhood devising its own private protection program, just like the old days, with each neighborhood setting their own rules of order-maintenance.
The current protesters understand none of the history of how current confrontations between the police and citizens has grown as government involvement in policing has escalated. They are even in greater confusion if they think the problem on the sidewalks of urban America is simply a race problem.
Until the role of government police is shrunk dramatically, even eliminated, the problems over time will continue to escalate. Simply making police promise to be less brutal isn’t going to change anything. They are far from the nightwatchmen of old. They are put on the streets to enforce government laws and they will escalate until their orders are complied with. That is simply the nature of modern day government police forces. Their real motto is, although they won’t admit it, “Comply with ever expanding government rules or die,”
It's not just a black problem.
Mr. Kapernick, are you listening?
By Robert Wenzel
Economic Policy Journal
December 16, 2014
The real solution may be to strip police of much of their duties and in urban areas takeaway their cars. They should not be “crime fighters” enforcing every new government law on drug sales, selling of untaxed cigarette sales etc. They should not be crime solvers. They should be limited to the order-maintenance” of the old days. Indeed, the ultimate solution should be for each neighborhood devising its own private protection program, just like the old days, with each neighborhood setting their own rules of order-maintenance.
The current protesters understand none of the history of how current confrontations between the police and citizens has grown as government involvement in policing has escalated. They are even in greater confusion if they think the problem on the sidewalks of urban America is simply a race problem.
Until the role of government police is shrunk dramatically, even eliminated, the problems over time will continue to escalate. Simply making police promise to be less brutal isn’t going to change anything. They are far from the nightwatchmen of old. They are put on the streets to enforce government laws and they will escalate until their orders are complied with. That is simply the nature of modern day government police forces. Their real motto is, although they won’t admit it, “Comply with ever expanding government rules or die,”
It's not just a black problem.
Mr. Kapernick, are you listening?
drbrumley
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He is dead right....no argument from me
They are socialist commies.
Yay!
drbrumley
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President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence released a petition demanding all players and fans stand for the national anthem and emailed supporters asking for signatures Thursday, according to the GOP's website.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...tition’/ar-AAtKeUP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Demanding? LOL!!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...tition’/ar-AAtKeUP?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Demanding? LOL!!!!
As usual you confuse declaration with argument and reason.
Yes, when I don't have an answer I reason my way to one.
No. I gave up youtube video recommendations a while ago.
The funny thing is that the only people anyone can quote repeatedly talking about my intelligence are people who aren't actually, well, me.
Go Trump !!! I'm glad he's not letting this go.
Funny how they threw that word in.
Looks like a petition to me, not a demand.
I signed it.