Bernie Sanders, Anti-American!

[journey]

I can't believe that many people would vote for a socialist. Most people are smart enough to know that somebody always has to pay for all of the free stuff. That's why the free stuff societies are doomed to eventual failure.

 

[Tinark]

Most people are smart enough to know that somebody always has to pay for all of the free stuff. That's why the free stuff societies are doomed to eventual failure.

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise. You are missing a whole bunch of support to your article of faith.

 

[Tinark]

I don't know. I raised my daughter differently. She even tells me that she believes if she wants something badly enough, she should work for it. But, she talks about what she deserves in life too.

So if someone wants expensive healthcare for their heart condition or their broken arm which prevents them from working, they should just work for it? What kind of nonsensical values are those?

 

[journey]

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise. You are missing a whole bunch of support to your article of faith.

Let's use an example and a question to help you understand. Does anyone actually pay for the free college education that Bernie promised? Get real.

 

[Tinark]

Let's use an example and a question to help you understand. Does anyone actually pay for the free college education that Bernie promised? Get real.

How does someone paying for it mean it is doomed to eventual failure? Once again, your conclusion does not follow.

 

[musterion]

Why do young people believe that they are entitled to "free" stuff?

They're now members of the Left's FSA. They created it 50 years ago. They won't be able to feed it much longer, on purpose. Part of Cloward Piven.

 

[Tinark]

Why do young people believe that they are entitled to "free" stuff?

Last I checked, you old farts feel just as entitled. I can't count the number of times that my parents and others in their generation have fretted that their social security and medicare will be gone by the time they retire. Support for social security and medicare programs is through the roof among people in your generation and older, which, at its core, is a massive redistribution program from the young to the old.

 

[musterion]

Last I checked, you old farts feel just as entitled. I can't count the number of times that my parents and others in their generation have fretted that their social security and medicare will be gone by the time they retire. Support for social security and medicare programs is through the roof among people in your generation and older, which, at its core, is a massive redistribution program from the young to the old.

At least they had the illusion that they were entitled to those things because they worked for decades and paid various taxes in exchange. That was the deal put forth be lying Leftists like you.

Young people and other demographics with no skin in ANY game want unearned tax-paid benefits NOW. And idiots like you still want to give it to them.

 

[This Charming Manc]

I usually like you, but one post you show;

• you don't know what socialism is
• you don't know what communism is
• you don't know how the relationship between the two
• you believe that the freedoms given in US constitution should only apply to people who think like you do
• you show yourself ignorant of the issues of an unfettered market economy

Throughout his life, Bernie Sanders has been working for socialism, the forum of government where all enterprise is controlled by the State, and is transitional to communism, where everyone is prohibited from enjoying their desire for a better life. He calls himself a socialist, specifically a "democratic socialist", yet he is really a pinko commie!

Sanders has made most of his campaign promises to socialist groups, the words he uses betray that his end-goal, which is actually to spread communism.

Sanders embraces the communist ideals that markets are detrimental to "the people", and are fundamentally unjust.

In an address on class warfare, envy, and hatred, he declared that financial inequality "is immoral, it is bad economics, it is unsustainable." This is tantamount to saying that the only just society is one in which everyone has the same amount of money or that anyone who has the ability to make a lot of money is an enemy of "the people".

Bernie Sanders is Anti-American and those who vote for him should be deported to a communist country of their choosing!

 

[rexlunae]

I'm just enjoying the dismay and confusion from the Right as he rises in the polls. It's not largesse toward the poor that threatens to bankrupt the country. It's favors for the idle rich; the money managers, the vulture capitalists, and the trust fund babies.

 

[rexlunae]

This seems funny to me; Bernie is too old to be president, yet kids like him? Bernie has not done so well in life, not for a senator.

Most in homes, not savings?
"Just 6% of Bernie Sanders’ campaign spending has come out of the senator’s pocket" "Bernie Sanders has an average estimated net worth of $330,507,
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...t-net-worth-presidential-candidates/32409491/
99

Does having money matter? Not so much when we are looking at billions, or Hillary Clinton.
Net worth: $15.3 million-$55 million
Why such a big range difference with Hillary?

What matters to me is knowing the candidate knows how to manage his own house.

To consider Sanders, a man who does not seem to manage money well, I mean not so well for a president, leaves me feeling his understanding of the economy is lacking. Besides, he seems to stand behind empty promises, hand-outs, if you will, which, I believe, little insight as to how to manage these handouts, other than take money from others.

In other words, you literally measure the value of a man by his balance sheet. You don't even care if he ever sought to be rich, because you assume that everyone does. Sanders has lived a life of activism and public service. You don't get rich that way, or at least just that way.

The sad part of this is, the high taxes drives out the small businessperson and leave all the business to the likes of the Walton's. Killing off the small entrepreneur only feeds the the large entrepreneur.

If the small entrepreneur is getting hit by the higher personal taxes, by definition he isn't getting killed. He's doing well. That's what a progressive tax code does. Walmart wins because it has large-scale advantages that can't be replicated by small businesses, and because of a favorable tax environment and labor policies that would be a lot harder at a small business.

All those who dislike capitalism and the 'business class' favour the big money interests. They always seem suckers for the super wealthy.

What's the salient difference between the "business class" and the "big money interests"?

 

[chrysostom]

there are polls showing bernie beating trump

go figure

 

[musterion]

You mean like these polls showed what they showed?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-mistakes-pollsters-deliberately-cheated.html

Ignore all polling.

 

[TracerBullet]

Right, Bernie Sanders is the most un-American, worst person to seek office since the 1930s.

You mean FDR

 

[TracerBullet]

Let's use an example and a question to help you understand. Does anyone actually pay for the free college education that Bernie promised? Get real.

Of course. If you took a couple minutes to educate yourself on the subject you would know how and why.

 

[musterion]

 

[This Charming Manc]

There is no such things as free lunch, we pay for it as we use it or we pay for it together though tax.

Of course. If you took a couple minutes to educate yourself on the subject you would know how and why.

 

[Traditio]

Most of the people I know who support Sanders are my daughter's age, unfortunately. They (including my daughter) thinks that they're owed a free college education, free health care, etc. They're buying into what Bernie says without thinking about who is going to pay for all of their free stuff.

In a well ordered civil society in which there is no apparent scarcity of resources, these things are rights, not privileges. It constitutes a grave injustice if people are "left out," not because these things are unavailable, but simply because they can't afford it.

Unlike certain other Catholics on this board, I take seriously the notion of the universal destination of material goods.

In a society like that of the United States, the basic means of life and self-betterment, like food, education, water, transportation, healthcare, shelter, etc. should be a given for all Americans. The fact that there actually exist jobs which do not provide for these things, even though the employers could certainly afford them, should make the common citizen very, very angry.

Why?

Because it's unjust.

Why do the younger generation think so much like this? Because unlike you older people, we haven't been constantly been force-fed cold war propaganda. We have, however, repeatedly seen, been exposed to and have suffered the consequences of the excesses of the corporate elite, of the bourgeoisie.

And we recognize that things are different in other countries, in other modern, Western countries, like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Canada, etc...

And we're tired of the shtick.

Thus the reason I positively love Sanders, at least, whenever he's not talking about immigration or social policy.

 

[kmoney]

I'm just enjoying the dismay and confusion from the Right as he rises in the polls. It's not largesse toward the poor that threatens to bankrupt the country. It's favors for the idle rich; the money managers, the vulture capitalists, and the trust fund babies.

I don't know. Some are cheering him on. :chuckle:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...s-are-working-doggedly-to-help-Bernie-Sanders
Why top Republicans are working doggedly to help Bernie Sanders
By Husna Haq,




I'd take Sanders over Clinton. I think Sanders hurts himself because he's a one-trick pony.

 

[TracerBullet]

just because you can't actually present a coherent argument is not a reason to just make stuff up