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Tyrathca

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Your from Australia . I don't know what media you are exposed to. If I did, and I knew your Reactions to various media personalities, I would be able to know which type you are.
Problem is I don't tend to listen to any media personalities. I tend to listen to non-editorialised news, intentionally from both left and right wing sources, and what political commentary I do both to listen to is generally factual and non-partisan (i.e. analysis of voter reactions to policy, effectiveness of message, clear factual errors or ommissions etc).

I have liked listening/reading to some of Walled Aly and Andrew Bolt on some topics but also disagreed strongly with them too. To call these two Australian personalities different would be an understatement though so I'm not sure how much you can interpret from it.

As for the US I'm not sure if it counts (since it is first comedy and only second political) but I do like John Oliver. I also thought the Colbert Report was hilarious satire (but again it was comedy first and foremost).
 

Tyrathca

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Talk about trying to pass of lies as believable. Wow.....
<------ If you look to your left (if you are on a browser and not an app) you will see Location: Australia :)
From what I've read of her on wikipedia just now she does not strike me as someone who would catch international attention, is it just that she is openly gay and on TV or is there more to it than that? The name did sound vaguely familiar but even now I can't for the life of me remember in what context I read it.
 

eider

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As of two nights ago, I do. I have been getting quite a few premium channels for free by being a huge pain to customer service.
Huh? You mean to tell me that in America you can actually make contact with a real person in a department called 'Customer Service?'

That's incredible. I do sometimes hear about such things, but I'm still not sure that I believe in them.
On the few occasions when I've been stupid enough to believe that I might be able to talk to somebody about some service, I have spent up to twenty minutes or more listening to robots and pressing numbers on my keypad, only to eventually be told, by a robot, that there's nobody available to talk to me.... please try again later.

On average, Customer-Service in the UK is very very rare, and Customer-Care is a myth!
 

Rusha

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Huh? You mean to tell me that in America you can actually make contact with a real person in a department called 'Customer Service?'

That's incredible. I do sometimes hear about such things, but I'm still not sure that I believe in them.
On the few occasions when I've been stupid enough to believe that I might be able to talk to somebody about some service, I have spent up to twenty minutes or more listening to robots and pressing numbers on my keypad, only to eventually be told, by a robot, that there's nobody available to talk to me.... please try again later.

On average, Customer-Service in the UK is very very rare, and Customer-Care is a myth!

It actually depends on the company and customer service. The only thing I haven't been able to dictate with Dish is the addition of two channels they *use* to carry. Verizon Wireless is a completely different story. I told them to stick it in their ear and went back to a landline.
 

The Horn

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I'm a liberal and I'm proud of it . However, I don't agree with every liberal on all issues , the same as not all conservatives agree with other conservatives on them .
I believe in separation of church and state . This does not make me anti-christian or mean I hate Christians . All it means is that I am opposed to Christians and Christianity, or any other religion, getting power in America . Every American must have the right to follow any religion, as well as the right not to follow any religion at all and no one has the right to take this right away from people.
I do not want the government in people's bedrooms or in women's reproductive organs . What consenting adults do in private as long as they harm no one else is their business and no business of anyone else .
I am opposed to government-ordered compulsory childbirth for women who are pregnant ,even if they are too poor to provide for a child or a pregnancy would cause them grievous harm or kill them .
The decision to bear a child must be between a woman and her doctor .
I believe gay people should have the same rights as all other Americans and am opposed to discrimination against them in any form and that no employer should have the right to fire anyone from a job merely for being gay .
I believe in gun control, not gun confiscation . The second amendment does not mean the government may not make sensible laws regarding regulating guns for safety . This does not interfere with any peaceful, law-abiding citizen's right to own guns .
I am opposed to school prayer because public schools are places for TEACHING, not preaching, and non-christian students must never be subject to proselytization of any kind . If you want to pray, you may do so all you want in church or at home.
I believe that the government MUST provide help for those in need , or we would have an enormous number of helpless people on the streets . I also believe the government MUST protect the environment and prevent the kind of pollution which threatens the lives and health of Americans .
Does this make me a "socialist,Marxist or communist ? "Or an evil monster who is out to "persecute " Christians ? NO way, Jose !
 

jgarden

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I understand many of you refuse the label. I'm talking to people who would never call themselves conservative, who are called liberals by self proclaimed conservatives. I have a few questions for you.

Do you consider yourself as more innately intelligent than most conservatives you meet? Do you consider yourself more moral? More compassionate?

Do you think America would be better off without conservatives? Having them around for entertainment value or to keep your mind sharp doesn't count.

Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mills

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnstuart201721.html?src=t_conservative
 

Town Heretic

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I understand many of you refuse the label.
No, you assert it. That's one of the more inexcusable habits some among the hard right of conservative ranks routinely engage in. To be fair, it's not an exclusively right wing problem. A leftist here once called me an apologist for the Christian right, so I suppose it's mostly an extremist/zealot problem.

If you're sure of the rightness of your position that you can't see a principled difference, it tends to lead you toward the demonization of opponents and the belief that they're either dense or willfully opposed to the good you perceive. That, in turn, must mean they should be or are either a) ashamed and hiding their allegiance or b) attempting to work some undetermined harm by appearing to be something else so that they can do damage to your position from a position of so-called nonpartisanship.

The problem with that is that it's nuts. People who believe in a thing support it and gain nothing by pretending not to, given that anyone not self-evidently in your wheelhouse would have their opinion met with the very suspicions people like you level. So your assertion doesn't really make a great deal of sense, when you consider it.

Do you consider yourself as more innately intelligent than most conservatives you meet?
Doesn't matter if they do. The average liberal is better educated and most studies (but not all) have concluded with a correlation of liberal belief and higher intelligence, as with the 2009 study conducted by libertarian Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics or the 2010 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health.

Do you consider yourself more moral? More compassionate?
The moral question would be interesting. I know that conservatives give more time and resources to charity while liberals support programs that help the disadvantaged, programs that many of those otherwise charitable conservatives seek to destroy or agree with abolishing, like school lunches of impoverished kids.

Moral and compassionate superiority might be harder to get at than most would think on either side.

Do you think America would be better off without conservatives?
As a moderate who agrees with conservative thinking on any number of issues, I'd vote no. I hope a liberal would agree, but I suspect if you found a counterpart to yourself they'd have a similar response to your likely vote on liberals within that same inquiry.

Having them around for entertainment value or to keep your mind sharp doesn't count.
Well, if you killed every conservative comic you wouldn't lose much of the world's humor. I always thought Miller's HBO show was very sharp, but he was the exception. I think that's because conservatism tends to represent the entrenched power structure and comics make their business the tweaking of that structure. Just a guess though.
 

patrick jane

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it tends to lead you toward the demonization of opponents and the belief that they're either dense or willfully opposed to the good you perceive. That, in turn, must mean they should be or are either a) ashamed and hiding their allegiance or b) attempting to work some undetermined harm by appearing to be something else so that they can do damage to your position from a position of so-called nonpartisanship.

The problem with that is that it's nuts. People who believe in a thing support it and gain nothing by pretending not to, given that anyone not self-evidently in your wheelhouse would have their opinion met with the very suspicions people
like you level. So your assertion doesn't really make a great deal of sense, when you consider it.
Yep, you summed him up perfectly -
 

ClimateSanity

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I also assert that the sky is blue. If I use a label in response to a behavior typical of that label, how fanatical am I when 95% of the predictions I make based on that label come true?
 

Arthur Brain

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I also assert that the sky is blue. If I use a label in response to a behavior typical of that label, how fanatical am I when 95% of the predictions I make based on that label come true?

Depends on how much confirmation bias you were employing, otherwise I think TH's last response to you on the matter summed things up pretty well.
 

ClimateSanity

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BTW Arthur. I don't engage in tag team debate. If you respond to something I meant for another person, I will only respond to you, not what someone else wrote.
 
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