Wick Stick
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If they are, they must be getting awfully short of breath.
[Calvinist] ...We can only pray for God's grace...
Matthew 17:3 KJV - Matthew 27:52-53 KJV -But what does Jesus say?
John 3:13: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
Matthew 17:9 KJV
(9) And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
They were elements of the vision. However, if they were not elements of a vision, then Moses and Elias could have been raised from the dead for their appearance and laid back to rest afterwards. However, considering that the characters of Moses and Elias are also symbols (Moses and the prophets) I am inclined to believed Jesus in Matthew 17:9 when he called their experience a vision.
nope.Is David in heaven?
Did you vote little Nonon? The first resurrection was of Jesus Christ -I am inclined to believe that we sleep until the first resurrection if we are saints.
Apparently you failed to read Matthew 27:52-53 KJV - Saints rose from the grave - where did they go? They went to heaven with Jesus -I did now!
The "saints in heaven" crowd always seems to gloss over the direct and indirect statements against....But what does Jesus say?
John 3:13: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
Yes, but only until His resurrection - Matthew 27:52-53 KJV -But what does Jesus say?
John 3:13: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
No no no.... Read Revelation, it even labels which is the first resurrection.Did you vote little Nonon? The first resurrection was of Jesus Christ -
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV -
They went into Jerusalem it says. Jesus was on the cross then buried in hell. It does not say they went to heaven, and if so Paul was completely unknowing about this because he said opposite elsewhere.Apparently you failed to read Matthew 27:52-53 KJV - Saints rose from the grave - where did they go? They went to heaven with Jesus -
Saints rose after Jesus' resurrection - you can't argue with that -No no no.... Read Revelation, it even labels which is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:5-6 KJV
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Black and white, first is the saints. Others afterwards.
Saints rose after Jesus' resurrection - you can't argue with that
The Bible doesn't tell us - I tend to think yes. They appeared to folks.Were those saints resurrected in an incorruptible body with immortality?
The Bible doesn't tell us - I tend to think yes. They appeared to folks.