Rape and child molesting are manifestations and results of human sin which separates the creature from the Creator. Evil is the deserved result of wickedness and slavery to sin.
Men rape and molest because they are sinners and held in bondage to Satan.
The only remedy is God's grace, which is not given out wholesale or universally.
That's not what you said. You said:
Belief that God ordains and controls all His creation, does not exempt sinners from accountability and responsibility for their vile actions.
Rapists, rape. Molesters, molest.
Such vile acts can never be attributed to Holy God.
Am I somehow misinterpreting this, Nang? Are you not clearly saying that God ordains and controls all His creation, specifically using rapists and molesters as examples?
Please explain how this does not mean God ordains and controls rapists and molesters?
...God ordains and controls...Rapists...Molesters
Then you can explain how you can follow that statement with this one...
...and not be a complete loon.Such vile acts can never be attributed to Holy God.
Liar. That's not at all what I'm railing about. And you know this perfectly well. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm railing about. What I'm railing about is your claim that God ordains and controls rapists and molesters. And that He's somehow not responsible for the evil acts he's ordained people to perform nor for actually controlling them while they do those evil things.So what you are really railing about, is that I teach the God of the Bible who has not determined to rescue all men from their natural inclinations.
What a bunch of poorly disguised, blatant obfuscation. :nono:
Lies, in other words.
Yeah, I suddenly remember you've a bad habit of flat out lying about people when they confront you with your own words.
Where'd you even get that idea? When did I even mention anything so much as tangentially related to this? What in the wide world of sports are you even talking about?You think it is illogical to teach that God saves only many, but not all.
Stick to the point. The point where you claim God ordains and controls rapists and molesters.
Huh? Wha? What's the weather like on your planet?You cannot logically explain how it is, that on one hand God loves all, but He only succeeds in saving some . . .and the rest continue to rape, and molest, despite Christ's (supposed) work on the cross.
Who's talking about this? I'm talking about your claim that God ordains and controls rapist and molesters.
Gee, I'd really love to answer that with the same ridiculously obvious answer that we've all been throwing at your head over and over again for the last few years...again...but I'd rather not help you to change the subject here.How are we to comprehend that the Father (supposedly) wills to save all, and Jesus Christ died for all, and the Holy Spirit supposedly calls all, but in reality, only a remnant of humanity is ever saved?
The subject being your claim that God ordains and controls rapists and molesters.
Where is your defense of your claim that God ordains and controls rapists and molesters?What is your logical explanation for the reality that most of humanity remains ignorant of the gospel and the name of Christ, and enslaved to sin, death, and the devil?
Seriously. Where? :idunno:
Yeah...except that's not what you're saying. You said God ordains and controls rapists and child molesters. You claimed that, even though He does this, He's somehow magically not responsible but since you're not even addressing that statement I'm wondering if an explanation on how that could possibly work will ever be forthcoming.You will find, if you take the time to unemotionally think this through, that both of us are saying blame for rape and molesting falls upon man, not God.
Rapist and molesters."Third party?" Who is mentioning a "third party?" Who would that "third party" possibly be . . . there is only Creator God and the creatures He has made.
If God ordains and controls rapists and molesters then He commits rape and molestation through them...making them the "third party" here. Which was your claim.
Wow. You ranged so far off into the blue in your attempt to distract from the statement you're trying so very hard not to answer for that you've actually forgotten what we're talking about.
Yes, I know that's your claim. I'm asking how in the heck God can ordain and control rapists and molesters without being responsible for rape and molestation He's ordained them to do and for controlling them while they do it.Actually, you are the one attributing evil to God. I am saying evil is attributable to wicked sinners.
I really want to ask how the heck rapists and molesters are even responsible, if God has ordained and controlled them to commit these evil acts. But since I can't even keep you on topic on that one point I don't see the point in asking another question yet.
You really don't think I'm going to respond to this when you've lied about my motives and my beliefs; and that only in the attempt to blatantly obfuscate the entire topic here...do you?If you understand it well, logically explain it. Why does God not just put an end to all wickedness and its evil results in this world? What is His reason for letting sin continue? How come a (supposed universal) atonement performed by Jesus Christ did not succeed in saving all men?
(I have the biblical answer, but I would be curious to hear how you go about confessing you do not believe God is in control of His creation, but that the inmates are running the asylum.)
Seriously?
Because...no. I'm not going to do that.