"Repent" is your interpretation, I say God relented of the disaster, because Nineveh was overthrown as God said, and by repentance.
It is not my interpretation. The word is Nacham which means repent - period, which is supported by the remainder of the text in Jonah. In particular Jonah 3:10, which you continually ignore.
I quoted Strong's, even, but there are better lexicons.
Strong's is not a lexicon, its a concordance and it didn't get it wrong at all, and you know it. The fact that you have to imply as much only shows the weakness of your position.
Don't be silly, I know of one or two translators personally who are definitely not Calvinists. One of them is an Arminian who denies it! His Arminianism, I mean.
I'm not being silly. I am however using the terms 'Settled View' and 'Calvinism' as nearly interchangeable terms. I shouldn't do that because its confusing but its a difficult habit to break. As far as Open Theism is concerned Arminianism and Calvinism are nearly synonymous because both teach that the future is settled and as such are prone to allowing the paradigm to color their translation of the Bible.
Consult Holladay please--and note the many meanings even in Strong's--it does not mean only repent.
Yes it does. For all practical purposes it does, anyway. Especially when that meaning is so strongly supported by the context as is the case in Jonah.
How do you know he is a Calvinist? I think it unlikely, given his background.
He's affiliated with the Church of Christ, which means he's probably an Arminian but like I said a moment ago, for my dime, its virtually the same thing. The point is that any other translation of the word 'nacham' in this context is without question motivated by doctrine and not a knowledge of ancient Hebrew.
Which King James, may I ask? "And God saw their workes, that they turned from their euill way, and God repented of the euill that hee had sayd, that he would doe vnto them, and he did it not." That's how my King James reads. But I thought I would find it under Google if it was KJV, in this I was mistaken. But why do Open Theists tend to use the King James?
There isn't but one King James of any significance. If I had meant some odd ball edition it would have been incumbent upon me to point it out.
You need to apply this verse to your conduct, I would say.
That's because you don't know the Bible. When I want your opinion about my personal conduct I'll ask for it, otherwise you can stick your personal opinions where the Sun don't shine for all I care.
Well, this would be another contradiction, this one being within the very principles and statements of Open Theism, alas--I must add it to my list. For if God really changed his mind, then his purpose was for judgment without mercy.
Saying it doesn't make it so and your displayed thinking skills have left something to be desired frankly and so you can count on me not to take your word for it. Demonstrate the contradiction or keep these silly unsupported comments to yourself.
God knew they would repent, his plan was that they repent, and he sent Jonah to warn them of judgment, to bring about that repentance.
The book of Jonah directly contradicts you as I have now repeated shown and as you have now repeatedly ignored.
Therefore, either you are a liar or God is.
Not if the word was "overthrow". It was.
Once again, the book of Jonah directly contradicts you, as I have now repeatedly shown and as you have now repeatedly ignored.
That is implied if God really changed his mind.
Only in your warped little excuse for a brain.
So Jonah followed God's thinking, according to the Open View, and looked for judgment, and God changed his mind, and Jonah was disappointed. The plan was spoiled by sending Jonah.
You are truly stupid. This nonsense isn't even worth responding too. It's isn't according to the Open View, its according to the book of Jonah you idiot! Jonah expected for God to change His mind! (Actually, "repent" is better than "changed His mind" in this case but everyone understands the point.) That's the whole reason Jonah didn't want to go there in the first place! He didn't want for God to change His mind and Jonah knew that the only way that God would change His mind is if someone managed to convince them to repent!
How is that so difficult to understand?
Let's see you post with your last name, then! It does help rein in impulses to vitriol and diatribe.
You're an idiot. You think that because your nice that you're somehow a better Christian and I stand up to declare just the opposite. If you don't like me, its almost certainly because I don't want you to like me. I treat those I consider enemies as enemies, Lee. And make no mistake about it, you are an enemy of mine. You cannot think clearly and teach false doctrine that you know you cannot rationally defend. It boggles my mind that you can call yourself a Christian and do such things but such is the state of the modern Church, especially in America. If it were up to me, which it is not, you would be excommunicated for your blasphemy and false doctrine.
The fact that the point concerning anonymity so completely lost on you only goes to demonstrate your incompetence to even participate in these discussions. Why don't you go find a hobby that is better suited to your level of intelligence and leave these discussions to those of us with fully developed thinking and communication skills who have actually read the Bible and aren't afraid to conform our doctrine to what it says rather than conforming what it says to our doctrine as you are so fond of doing?
Resting in Him,
Clete
