Mystery
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You just condemned yourself. Hatred is being expressed by you for lying. I only rebuked you for doing it.
"Tell it to the hand"
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ARCHIVE: Open Theism part 2
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Evoken
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"You thought evil against me: but God turned it into good, that he might exalt me, as at present you see, and might save many people." Genesis 50:20
"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, That he might shew the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath prepared unto glory?" Romans 9:22-23
We may be creatures with free will but that doesn't means that God is not involved with humans and that things do not work towards his divine purpose. Your idea here would have God as some neutral observer, without any purpose in mind.
All good work we do comes from God, but all the evil we do is of our own doing. God brings about good out of the evil he permits. A good example we find in the story of Job, God tells Satan the amount of evil he can do and what he cannot do:
"Then the Lord said to Satan: Behold, all that he hath is in thy hand: only put not forth thy hand upon his person." Job 1:12
After this we read that Job was blessed "more than his beginning" (Job 42:12). Thus, out of the evil done by Satan to Job, which he permitted, God brought about a greater good.
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Nang
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Heya, hero wannabe but fake "Rambo", (that never shed any blood or suffered any true misery in Viet Nam ). . .what does my conversation with Mystery have to do with you, softie?
Because your "points" were unscriptural "inanities." I cannot be bothered answering to fiction. It is enough to offer polemic argument against abuse of Scripture to receive response, but made up stuff does not qualify. (I assume you know what "polemics" means?)
Gee. I am sorry. Next time I will make sure I apply Romans 8:33 to all who bear false witness against my person.
You do not know Calvinist doctrine "inside out." You do not come close to having a grasp on the doctrines of grace. I can know so and say so, because I have been studying the word of God, at the feet of wonderful Reformed pastors, teachers, and a mate who was an ordained Elder in the Reformed faith, for over 35 years.
(Gotcha on the timely experience issue!! I am very old and have been around a whole lot longer than you! :banana
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Mystery
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Senility is no excuse for being a jerk and a liar.
No, I am not "messin" with ya.
I have gone back and forth on this topic over the years.
PKevman
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Nang said:
Do you realize Rambo was not a Viet Nam vet in real life. He is a character. The actor in my avatar is Sylvester Stallone. Guess what? Didn't fight in Vietnam either. How stupid of you and AMR to continue making an issue over an avatar. :ha:
(It shows the true lack of substance to your arguments).
Actually I was referring to your hypocrisy, that was all. I think it was explained quite well for all to see.
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I bet you never read a thing I said in either post. I directly quoted John 9 and discussed the passage as it relates to the man born blind in clear details. You offered no rebuttal, no response, nothing. There was nothing unScriptural about it.
It was simply an illustration you bonehead. You didn't have to read it, but if you're going to dismiss it and my posts without reading them, then you have no place to say they are unScriptural unless you can say HOW it is unScriptural. Is that hard to understand?
It was an illustration, and one that rightly shows how Calvinism views God. Yet you steadfastly ignored the post in which I discussed the Scriptures at length. (Or at least you didn't bother responding).
You are bearing false witness against me. That makes you a hypocrite again.
LAME!
Considering that I attended Baptist churches for years, and I pastored a Baptist church for 3 1/2 years, (where many of the folk were Calvinist or Armenian), considering that most of my early mentors came from Calvinist/Armenian views, I disagree.
How do you know? Because you think you know more than everyone obviously. You are one of the most rude and arrogant people I have ever conversed with. Seriously.
Really? Salvation is by the grace of God through faith plus nothing of our own merit. That is how a person is saved. Do you teach something different?
And that is your problem. You have never considered or listened to any other views. So your mind is closed. You could care less if your views are unScriptural or not. You just want to be right. Good luck with that.
There's that pride again. I respect you for being an elder and for being a lady, but you do NOT act like a mature believer in the least.
Come on Nang, lets reel it back in a little OK?
Nang
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I am definitely not one who counts Wikipedia as any really great source of wisdom, especially in the area of Biblical theology, but every once in a while they do have something worth reading on that website. I don't know who the author of this article is but he does an excellent job of establishing that "Righteousness means "right doing".", as he puts it.
Of course I know that there will be at least one if not several of you who blow this article off based solely on the fact that someone posted the information on Wikipedia, in fact many of you won't even bother to click the link, but I'm posting it anyway because it brings a fresh perspective to the discussion and I am not responsible for the irrational reasons someone might choose to ignore good arguments.
Righteousness - Link removed because someone edited the article significantly within hours of my having posted this link in the first place. I wish now that I had simply posted the whole article rather than simply the link but c'est la vie!
Of course I know that there will be at least one if not several of you who blow this article off based solely on the fact that someone posted the information on Wikipedia, in fact many of you won't even bother to click the link, but I'm posting it anyway because it brings a fresh perspective to the discussion and I am not responsible for the irrational reasons someone might choose to ignore good arguments.
Righteousness - Link removed because someone edited the article significantly within hours of my having posted this link in the first place. I wish now that I had simply posted the whole article rather than simply the link but c'est la vie!
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Mystery
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I'll read it.
Is God recording them as they happen...or have they already been recorded since eternity past?
Why would God need to record that which He planned to happen?
To show us.
Mystery
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If righteousness is only "right doing" then what does that say about it being a gift for those who do nothing right? Since a believer is made the righteousness of God in Christ by faith alone, how can they be called righteous and holy unless it is because they have the indwelling Spirit?
Were they recorded in eternity past or as they happen?
Don't know. Why does it matter?
themuzicman
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How did I cause her to sin against God?
Even if I did. If the end result is to teach how God's ways are superior, that sounds like a caring dad to me.
It is because we have the indwelling Spirit. The righteousness which is imputed to us is that of the "one Man's righteous act" of Romans 5:8. God doesn't simply pretend like our sin doesn't exist and call us righteous by fiat. The righteous is based on the righteous action of God the Son at Calvary.
Resting in Him,
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themuzicman
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If you forbade her to do something, it was probably because it was wrong. Then you turned around and told her to do what you forbade her to do, thus she is doing wrong. It's not that hard to see.
The ends justify the means? I think not.
If I rape a woman who walks in a bad neighborhood to teach her not to walk in bad neighborhoods, and she doesn't anymore, am I justified in having done that, because she learned from it?
And from God's perspective, He causes everyone to sin, but only reconciles a few to Himself. How is God just in condemning the rest?
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