Hi everyone,
Jerry: Do you think that Pharaoh ever had a chance to be saved?
Certainly not while God was hardening him, but maybe after death, even?
Exodus 14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord.
As here, speaking of another Pharaoh:
Ezekiel 30:19 So I will inflict punishment on Egypt, and they will know that I am the Lord.
Jerry: Do you think that the Lord is a mad potter who would make a vessel for the express purpose of destroying it?
Again, isn't that what Paul says specifically?
Romans 9:22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-- prepared for destruction?
I believe that Pharoah had a chance for salvation and it was not until after he rejected God's words that he was fitted for destruction.
But then God would not have accomplished his purpose to have his name proclaimed in all the earth.
So according to you the reason that these Jews would not come to Christ was because it was not in God's will.
Yes, I agree, that is why they would not come:
Luke 17:25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Jesus knew that this would happen (as in Dan. 9:26).
Jerry: So the Israelite's cannot be guilty for rejecting the Lord Jesus because it was willed by God that they could not come to Him.
Godrulz: There is nothing back of the will that causes us to sin. If there was, we would not be responsible, since we could not help it.
Then why were people guilty for unintentional sins, under the law?
Leviticus 4:22 When a leader sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the commands of the Lord his God, he is guilty.
Godrulz: we do not sin because we are sinners (confuses morals and metaphysics).
Then slaves to sin don't do what sin wants? I think they do, and that everyone is born in chains to sin, this must be part of the fall:
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Blessings,
Lee