ARCHIVE: My niece is gay and I love her for it. So does God.
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shilohproject
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How would you demonstrate the harm to society?
wickwoman
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Dear Quasi:
Thanks for joining us. Rumi is a terrific Sufi Poet. I will send some of his work your way via "Wickwoman's gay neice." Thank you for agreeing with me about her. You obviously have impeccable taste. You see, the problem with Sozo and Freak and other less intelligent posters is that they DON'T personally know and love someone like her. Otherwise, their whole system of beliefs would go down the toilet.
As far as getting examples of how homosexual lifestyle hurts society, we won't hold our breath for an intelligent answer. You noticed maybe that nobody had ANYTHING to say about the scriptures posted several pages ago and the discussion on how the Bible does not necessarily condemn homosexuality.
Finally, I agree organized religion, for the most part, leaves a lot to be desired. But as far as God, he/she always lives up to our highest expectations.
Thanks for joining us. Rumi is a terrific Sufi Poet. I will send some of his work your way via "Wickwoman's gay neice." Thank you for agreeing with me about her. You obviously have impeccable taste. You see, the problem with Sozo and Freak and other less intelligent posters is that they DON'T personally know and love someone like her. Otherwise, their whole system of beliefs would go down the toilet.
As far as getting examples of how homosexual lifestyle hurts society, we won't hold our breath for an intelligent answer. You noticed maybe that nobody had ANYTHING to say about the scriptures posted several pages ago and the discussion on how the Bible does not necessarily condemn homosexuality.
Finally, I agree organized religion, for the most part, leaves a lot to be desired. But as far as God, he/she always lives up to our highest expectations.
o2bwise
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An Appeal To Intellectual Vigor
An Appeal To Intellectual Vigor
Hi quasi,
Welcome!
Well, the first chapter in Leanne Payne's The Broken Image is about a woman she counselled. Entirely lesbian, no heterosexual desires. "Born" that way, it would seem.
Turns out this woman had no memories between ~2-5 years of age. She was enabled to revisit this period of her life. At the age of three, Lisa was sexually molested by her father (who forced her to have oral sex with him). They were caught by her mother who screamed. When Lisa went toward her mother to console her, her mother pushed her away.
Lisa is now heterosexual and I, for one, thank God that someone tried to help her in terms of "who she could love."
Obviously, because of your basenote, I am not here to appeal to you spiritually, but I am here to appeal to you intellectually.
1) If a premise is clearly known to NOT be universally true, it is rather difficult to maintain it must be true for specific cases.
I apply #1 to:
The concept that "I was always this way" being equivalent to "I was born this way."
I also apply it to:
One cannot and ought not "change" who one loves.
Now, I can almost anticipate that you would take the above example as some severe, highly peculiar example and thus deny its possible applicability to anyone else. But, I think this would be far too simplistic a tack to take. Human behavior is very complex and has many possibilities. I think a more intelligent course would be to leave that forum open to other possibilities, than the narrow-minded, dogmatic mantra I was born this way.
Lisa was not.
Aqua, I was once very, very much on the side of homosexual orientation. Consider the analogy of a stream, rushing unimpeded in a certain direction (sexual expression where there is no brokenness) and another stream, whose direction is skewed by the presence of rocks. I have had three or four rocks identified. Rocks being areas of brokenness.
I know too many people, including myself, who are "reorientated."
Consider the following as a "physical realm" analogy. Sometimes people always had a health condition and never even knew it. After they no longer had the health condition, they couldn't believe how much better they felt.
I can't call unwellness, wellness.
Tony (o2)
An Appeal To Intellectual Vigor
Hi quasi,
Welcome!
Well, the first chapter in Leanne Payne's The Broken Image is about a woman she counselled. Entirely lesbian, no heterosexual desires. "Born" that way, it would seem.
Turns out this woman had no memories between ~2-5 years of age. She was enabled to revisit this period of her life. At the age of three, Lisa was sexually molested by her father (who forced her to have oral sex with him). They were caught by her mother who screamed. When Lisa went toward her mother to console her, her mother pushed her away.
Lisa is now heterosexual and I, for one, thank God that someone tried to help her in terms of "who she could love."
Obviously, because of your basenote, I am not here to appeal to you spiritually, but I am here to appeal to you intellectually.
1) If a premise is clearly known to NOT be universally true, it is rather difficult to maintain it must be true for specific cases.
I apply #1 to:
The concept that "I was always this way" being equivalent to "I was born this way."
I also apply it to:
One cannot and ought not "change" who one loves.
Now, I can almost anticipate that you would take the above example as some severe, highly peculiar example and thus deny its possible applicability to anyone else. But, I think this would be far too simplistic a tack to take. Human behavior is very complex and has many possibilities. I think a more intelligent course would be to leave that forum open to other possibilities, than the narrow-minded, dogmatic mantra I was born this way.
Lisa was not.
Aqua, I was once very, very much on the side of homosexual orientation. Consider the analogy of a stream, rushing unimpeded in a certain direction (sexual expression where there is no brokenness) and another stream, whose direction is skewed by the presence of rocks. I have had three or four rocks identified. Rocks being areas of brokenness.
I know too many people, including myself, who are "reorientated."
Consider the following as a "physical realm" analogy. Sometimes people always had a health condition and never even knew it. After they no longer had the health condition, they couldn't believe how much better they felt.
I can't call unwellness, wellness.
Tony (o2)
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aquamulier
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o2:
I'm thrilled that reorientation therapy worked for you and the girl in the book. If a person is unhappy with there sexuality they should at least try to change it. But I am happy, fulfilled, loved, and whole. I am not lacking anything now and when I dated guys there was a big piece missing. All therapy did for me was make me feel like a failure and plunge me into depression. So do you REALLY think it's a good idea that I try again...
I'm thrilled that reorientation therapy worked for you and the girl in the book. If a person is unhappy with there sexuality they should at least try to change it. But I am happy, fulfilled, loved, and whole. I am not lacking anything now and when I dated guys there was a big piece missing. All therapy did for me was make me feel like a failure and plunge me into depression. So do you REALLY think it's a good idea that I try again...
aquamulier
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Cool deal o2. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was a little confused...
aquamulier
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Thank you o2
aquamulier
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Thank you so much Rapunzel...that means alot to me
*big hug*
~Aqua
*big hug*
~Aqua
aquamulier
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Of couse *big hug*
Jesus Lives!
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Aimiel
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Therapy would not be necessary, if you were to repent. God is able to reconcile all things to Himself, in Christ Jesus. Your errors can be corrected and forgiven, if you will but seek Him, in truth. He will never turn anyone away, who seeks Him. Ask Him to show you The Truth. He will. He has never refused that request, from anyone.
wickwoman
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If AIDS is God's wrath on homosexuals, it is also his wrath on hemopheliac children.
Adult onset Diabetes is God's wrath on fat people.
Poison ivy and ants are God's wrath on those who sit in grass.
Alzeheimer's disease and death are God's wrath against old people.
Flu is God's wrath on the rest of us.
Ronald Reagan did more to spread "evil" during his "reign" by denying the AIDS crisis during a critical time and spouting such rubbish as found in the "logic" of statements such as is found above.
By the way, a husband can contract an infection without contacting any other person and transmit it to his wife. Maybe your God just doesn't like any kind of sex.
Adult onset Diabetes is God's wrath on fat people.
Poison ivy and ants are God's wrath on those who sit in grass.
Alzeheimer's disease and death are God's wrath against old people.
Flu is God's wrath on the rest of us.
Ronald Reagan did more to spread "evil" during his "reign" by denying the AIDS crisis during a critical time and spouting such rubbish as found in the "logic" of statements such as is found above.
By the way, a husband can contract an infection without contacting any other person and transmit it to his wife. Maybe your God just doesn't like any kind of sex.
