ARCHIVE: My niece is gay and I love her for it. So does God.

[Freak]

Originally posted by calvinistkid


Wickwoman, you completely missed my point. My point was that Freak's statements were completely consistent with Christian belief, and therefore your statement "and you call yourself a Christian" is thus invalid.

As far as him telling you that you are damned (I think I missed the post where he used those exact words, but whatever), you SHOULD thank him for it, regardless of whether he is right or not. If I (or Freak) see someone in imanent physical danger, I do everything in my power to warn them. In the same way, if I see them in spiritual danger, I do everything I can to allert them of their condition. Now what if someone was walking down the street, thought they saw someone pulling a gun on you, yelled out a warning, and then discovered that they had made a mistake and that there was no danger. Would you get angry at that person? Probably not. You would probably thank them for their concern. Why should it be any different with spiritual danger? I have been told by people many times that I am going to hell because I don't agree with them. As hard as it may be sometimes, I have to understand that they honestly think I am in danger, and are doing their best to try to help me.

:thumb:

 

[calvinistkid]

Well, freak, I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but I have your back this time

 

[Z Man]

Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Originally posted by Freak


ZMan re-read the apostle Paul's declaration.

If someone practices those sins they do not possess true life in Christ.

Just because we're saved dosn't mean we don't sin anymore; it just means that we are no longer under its condemnation. All of us are guilty of it and will continue to succumb to it until the day that we die. If sinners didn't go to heaven, it would be empty.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that sinning is ok. I believe that if God has truely saved someone, they will no longer desire to do the things they use to. But we are still human, and as long as we live in this earthly flesh, we will sin everyday.

 

[Freak]

Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Originally posted by Z Man


Just because we're saved dosn't mean we don't sin anymore; it just means that we are no longer under its condemnation. All of us are guilty of it and will continue to succumb to it until the day that we die. If sinners didn't go to heaven, it would be empty.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that sinning is ok. I believe that if God has truely saved someone, they will no longer desire to do the things they use to. But we are still human, and as long as we live in this earthly flesh, we will sin everyday.

Note the word I used: practice those sins.

 

[Z Man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Originally posted by Freak


Note the word I used: practice those sins.

What's the difference between "practicing" sin and accidentally comitting them? "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to watch porn today. It just happened...." Does it matter? Will God just dismiss those who "accidentally" committed sin? Of course not. Whether you practice it or slip up, you're still guilty.

 

[Freak]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone's a sinner....

Originally posted by Z Man


What's the difference between "practicing" sin and accidentally comitting them? "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to watch porn today. It just happened...." Does it matter? Will God just dismiss those who "accidentally" committed sin? Of course not. Whether you practice it or slip up, you're still guilty.

No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

 

[wickwoman]

Originally posted by wickwoman


Dear Freak:

What exactly is a "demon god?" Are you a pagan? Funny, I was thinking you only believed in one God.

Still waiting . . .

 

[wickwoman]

Originally posted by calvinistkid


Wickwoman, you completely missed my point. My point was that Freak's statements were completely consistent with Christian belief, and therefore your statement "and you call yourself a Christian" is thus invalid.

As far as him telling you that you are damned (I think I missed the post where he used those exact words, but whatever), you SHOULD thank him for it, regardless of whether he is right or not. If I (or Freak) see someone in imanent physical danger, I do everything in my power to warn them. In the same way, if I see them in spiritual danger, I do everything I can to allert them of their condition. Now what if someone was walking down the street, thought they saw someone pulling a gun on you, yelled out a warning, and then discovered that they had made a mistake and that there was no danger. Would you get angry at that person? Probably not. You would probably thank them for their concern. Why should it be any different with spiritual danger? I have been told by people many times that I am going to hell because I don't agree with them. As hard as it may be sometimes, I have to understand that they honestly think I am in danger, and are doing their best to try to help me.

I did! I did! I am Sooooooooooo thankful to him. Why, like I said before, if he didn't tell me, who would? Freak, you just don't know the impact you've had on me.

 

[wickwoman]

The Lord is the operator; we are
But his innumerable instruments.
May we, in our consciousness, realize
The bliss he alone can give us.

-Shvetashvatara Upanishad


Has nothing to do with this thread but neither do the majority of the posts here.

Once again, the Christians team up and take over the thread in a barrage of scriptures and back patting. "Brother Freak, I've got your back." "Thank you brother Calvinist-God sends people to hell on purpose just to prove how just he is-kid."

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by wickwoman


Still waiting . . .

I answered your question you just didn't like the answer.

BTW, God loves you and the reason your visiting a Christian forum is because you know deep in your heart that what we are sharing is true.

We love you!

 

[wickwoman]

Dear Freak:

"A demon god is who you worship" is not a valid explanation of the nature and definition of what exactly a demon god is. Obviously, you throw words around for affect and are unprepared to explain yourself when questioned. Your religion is at a superficial level alone, that is to say, you have no deep intellectual understanding of it. You believe what the preacher tells you and what your Bible says but when asked to give a logical explanation for your beliefs you fall short.

Don't feel bad, I don't understand your particular brand of Christianity either.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by wickwoman
Dear Freak:

"A demon god is who you worship" is not a valid explanation of the nature and definition of what exactly a demon god is. Obviously, you throw words around for affect and are unprepared to explain yourself when questioned. Your religion is at a superficial level alone, that is to say, you have no deep intellectual understanding of it. You believe what the preacher tells you and what your Bible says but when asked to give a logical explanation for your beliefs you fall short.

Don't feel bad, I don't understand your particular brand of Christianity either.

A demon is a fallen angel that has the ability to take upon many forms including that of a god like Shiva or Kali. That is why the use of demon god. This is so elementary. But it's ok I'll take it step by step for you.

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by Jay (Freak)
A demon is a fallen angel that has the ability to take upon many forms including that of a god like Shiva or Kali. That is why the use of demon god.

You're sowing the seeds of confusion for your readers here, Jay. Let's see if I can demonstrate why...

• 1. You claim to be a monotheist, that is a believer in the existence of only a single diety. In keeping with that definition, I've read you categorically denying the existence of any other deity than the one you worship.
  
  2. You claim that these alleged demons take on the form of a deity different from yours.
  
  3. Because of #1, you assert that Kali or Shiva are not deities.
  
  Therefore these alleged demons cannot be "demon gods" since your worldview denies the existence of other gods than yours.

It's your use of terminology like "god" that's confusing people. If you used a different term than "demon gods" your point would be much clearer.

 

[PureX]

I wouldn't thank an insane person for putting aluminum foil on my head to save me from having my thoughts stolen by space aliens because I don't think it's right for me to "play into" his sickness. I understand that he may "mean well", but it's still wrong for me to behave in a way that will ratify his delusions.

When people tell me I'm going to hell because I don't believe in their concept of God, I don't really believe they are doing so because they honestly care about my spiritual well-being. I think they are reinforcing their own belief systems at my expense, and I won't play into that behavior because I don't think it's healthy.

The best way to respond to people who are not being honest with themselves is by being honest with them, myself.

 

[wickwoman]

Originally posted by PureX
I wouldn't thank an insane person for putting aluminum foil on my head to save me from having my thoughts stolen by space aliens because I don't think it's right for me to "play into" his sickness. I understand that he may "mean well", but it's still wrong for me to behave in a way that will ratify his delusions.

When people tell me I'm going to hell because I don't believe in their concept of God, I don't really believe they are doing so because they honestly care about my spiritual well-being. I think they are reinforcing their own belief systems at my expense, and I won't play into that behavior because I don't think it's healthy.

The best way to respond to people who are not being honest with themselves is by being honest with them, myself.

You're right. This is the most reasonable thing I've seen posted on this thread in days. I'm just as insane as Freak is because I'm arguing with him. The first step is knowing you have a problem, right?

 

[Zakath]

OK Wickwoman, just step away from the keyboard...

 

[wickwoman]

"OK Wickwoman, just step away from the keyboard"

I may have to start smoking or become an alcoholic to get over this bad habit of mine.

 

[calvinistkid]

Originally posted by wickwoman
"Thank you brother Calvinist-God sends people to hell on purpose just to prove how just he is-kid."

Actualy, I DO believe that God predestines some for destruction solely for His glory. I beleive that as Creator he has every right to do so. As far as "back patting" is concerned, do you have a problem with someone saying that they AGREE with another person's statement? Or are we only allowed to tear one another down?

 

[Eireann]

Originally posted by calvinistkid


Actualy, I DO believe that God predestines some for destruction solely for His glory. I beleive that as Creator he has every right to do so.

While I agree this is possible, and certainly within God's right, it is also certainly not consistent with a good and loving God, which is what most Christians believe God is.

 

[calvinistkid]

My bad... I didn't mean to turn this thread into a debate on calvinism. There are already several for that.