ARCHIVE: My niece is gay and I love her for it. So does God.

[Angel4Truth]

My niece was gay the day she was born.

No, she wasnt.

I don’t know what caused it - maybe she’s got too much or too little of this hormone or that one. All I know is that every picture I look at of her from the day she started to look like one sex or the other, she always looked a little less than female. I can’t put my finger on it now, I just know she was different. That doesn’t make her a sinner.

Loads of tomboys among young girls, doesnt mean they are gay.

When she was 4 years old she used to dress up in her dad’s work clothes and work boots. For Halloween she was always an army man or a Star Trek captain. All of her friends were little boys.

So were mine when i was little, im as far from gay as it gets, boys were just more fun to me.

She choose them because she had the most in common with boys. When boys decided they didn’t like girls, she had no friends. She was devastated. Her best friend Patrick told her one day girls were “icky.” It changed her attitude about life forever.

sounds then like the start of her gayness had to do with societal influence and what she did with it.

Sometimes I wonder if it was something I did or said or something her mom or dad did or didn’t do.

Certainly looks that way, by this post, seems you encouraged "gay"

When it comes right down to it, it doesn’t matter.

It matters.

Whether it was environment or genetics, nevertheless, she had no control over what happened to her and in her. It just was.

We are born sinners, it just is because it passed from adam to all mankind, thats the way it is, and without Christ we remain in those sins and lost.

Either way, no loving God would send her to Hell for it.

Yes, a loving Just God will expect the same thing for her as everyone else - sin free complete perfection, which is impossible without Christ.

Of this I am sure.

You are dead wrong.

So tell me that God thinks she’s an “abomination.”

You want people to lie to you? God doesnt think she is an abomination, He thinks her sin is.

But this time, use your head. Don’t quote from your famous book. Give me a logical reason from your very own head as to why God is going to send her to Hell for being gay.

You just set up a false premise argument, you want us to give you biblical reasoning about a biblical event, yet not use the bible to explain what comes from the bible.

I challenge you to give me one good LOGICAL reason.

God said it is sin and God made her.

She is not harming anyone, she is not even harming herself.

Sin harms everyone.

What harmed her the most was when she tried to fit in and be straight.

Sounds like your own desires made that more difficult for her, since you already decided she was gay when she was little.

She’s much happier now that she is openly gay.

You mean you are.

She and her girlfriend are not sexually involved right now. They want to keep their relationship plutonic for now. When I see them holding hands and enjoying being together so much, I think “how could this be wrong?”

Because you have a perverted view of what is right and wrong.

When you objectify your beliefs it is much easier to hold them sacred.

When you have the truth, its much easier to hold it sacred.

When something comes and knocks on the door of your house, then it’s different.

All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, the sins are just different.

God is that way too.

No, He isnt.

Do you think he/she looks at you and says “you know, if you just weren’t so critical of everything, I would let you come to Heaven.” Or “if you didn’t get so angry in traffic, I would love you.” Or “if you didn’t spend so much time gossiping with your friends you would be alright in my book.”

No, He looks at you and says "I have made a way for you to be reunited to me for all eternity, and I hope you take me up on it - I even suffered temptations and the weakness of the flesh yet did it without sin, and laid my life down for you so you could be free - just trust Me instead of continuing in your pride and sin. "

No, God isn’t like that.

No, He isnt like what you said.

People who believe this person or that person is going to Hell don’t really know those people they condemn. The make them objects and categorize them in the “bad” category. They don’t feel personally attached to the “bad” ones because if they did, they wouldn’t be able to keep them on the “bad” list. That’s why God doesn’t have a “bad” list. He/she does know each of us personally and he/she could never send anyone to Hell.

Why do you mention hell as if its real while you believe nothing else about what it says - where you got the concept to begin with?

Now I’m talking to all of you who believe there is a Hell and that there are people who will go there someday: “As long as you keep your ears shut, your house of cards will not fall. As long as you refuse to let a logical thought enter your head, you will continue to swallow whatever the preacher tells you is right. You don’t have to think, you’ve got the Bible, the preacher, the Sunday school teacher. Is that what you really believe? But if one little doubt enters your head, your whole system of beliefs will begin to fall. It’s time you started thinking for yourself. Give it a try.”

You aren't talking to believers then.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Your assessment is valid here and I agree with it. Too many Christians and denominations that they subscribe teach law & grace in the same sentence when the two are mutually exclusive. The teaching that a Christian should try to polish up that dead flesh to be acceptable before God I believe to fallacious also, for the reason that if there were a way for humankind to make themselves acceptable Christ He would have never borne the cross. Certainly we as new creatures should aspire to live as he lived and turn from that which we know to be evil but, we do not move into and out of salvation like a revolving door which seems to be a common theme of many professing Christians on this site. There is a misunderstanding of the cross and the meaning Christ's sacrifice in general, sadly.

Thanks for taking the time to post such a lengthy reply, there is a lot to swallow for some but, worth the effort. :thumb:

Unfortunately, hope is predominantly taught/preached as faith because of English presumption of meaning.

In English, hope is not thought of as expectancy, instead being perceived as some earnest type of "wishing". I "hope" I win the lottery. I "hope" I'm saved.

But hope is expectation and anticipation with desire for that which is promised. We're saved by hope (Romans 8:24-25), and hope maketh not ashamed. Hope is one of the three that remain. But hope is for what lies beyond physical death of the promised everlasting glory in the afterlife.

NOW faith is the substance OF things hoped FOR. Faith is more than expectation, it's persuasion of absolute assurance. Faith expedites our physical death to NOW, so we can reckon ourselves dead and be IN Christ while we yet physically live.

The overwhelming majority of believers are stuck merely in hope, not walking according to the promises they've hope for... NOW. The just shall live by faith. That's not just in the sweet by and by, just over in the gloryland. That's now.

And most are constantly laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, not truly discerning the body and blood of Christ. Many are trapped in a cycle of never being able to have dominion over sin in their members, because they don't live by the faith OF the Son of God.

These are those who are consumed with the futility and self-centeredness of the Law and always concentrating on each act of sin and repetititve repentance of them in condemnation.

By the hypostasis of their faith, a believer's hypostasis is engrafted into the hypostasis of God and having put on the prosopon of Christ; declaring their own prosopon dead. The outer man perishes, but the inner man is renewed day by day. Working out (from the inner man to the outer man) our salvation with fear and trembling.

Poor teaching, indoctrination, and lethargy have conspired for believers to live below their status as having the earnest of their inheritance until redemption of the purchased possession.

All that I've previously posted that you wanted me to blog is exactly and literally true... NOW. We've been translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. Sin hath no more dominion over us.

There is no sin imputed to our hypostasis, because it's IN Christ. The sin is imputed to our dead flesh, and we are to not let sin reign in that mortal flesh, filling up that which remains of Christ as we suffer in the flesh just as did our Master.

Sectarian denominationalism is so busy with other menial non-priorities, that there isn't even solid teaching about sin and repentance and faith and hope and love and grace, and all relative to hypostasis and prosopon for man in regards to the new creation and the old man.

When someone very educated posits that I've made up the term Hamartiology, it's a sad day for modern Theology and the Gospel.

Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I'm dead, nevertheless I live. NOW!!

 

[rocketman]

Unfortunately, hope is predominantly taught/preached as faith because of English presumption of meaning.

In English, hope is not thought of as expectancy, instead being perceived as some earnest type of "wishing". I "hope" I win the lottery. I "hope" I'm saved.

But hope is expectation and anticipation with desire for that which is promised. We're saved by hope (Romans 8:24-25), and hope maketh not ashamed. Hope is one of the three that remain. But hope is for what lies beyond physical death of the promised everlasting glory in the afterlife.

NOW faith is the substance OF things hoped FOR. Faith is more than expectation, it's persuasion of absolute assurance. Faith expedites our physical death to NOW, so we can reckon ourselves dead and be IN Christ while we yet physically live.

The overwhelming majority of believers are stuck merely in hope, not walking according to the promises they've hope for... NOW. The just shall live by faith. That's not just in the sweet by and by, just over in the gloryland. That's now.

And most are constantly laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, not truly discerning the body and blood of Christ. Many are trapped in a cycle of never being able to have dominion over sin in their members, because they don't live by the faith OF the Son of God.

These are those who are consumed with the futility and self-centeredness of the Law and always concentrating on each act of sin and repetititve repentance of them in condemnation.

By the hypostasis of their faith, a believer's hypostasis is engrafted into the hypostasis of God and having put on the prosopon of Christ; declaring their own prosopon dead. The outer man perishes, but the inner man is renewed day by day. Working out (from the inner man to the outer man) our salvation with fear and trembling.

Poor teaching, indoctrination, and lethargy have conspired for believers to live below their status as having the earnest of their inheritance until redemption of the purchased possession.

All that I've previously posted that you wanted me to blog is exactly and literally true... NOW. We've been translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. Sin hath no more dominion over us.

There is no sin imputed to our hypostasis, because it's IN Christ. The sin is imputed to our dead flesh, and we are to not let sin reign in that mortal flesh, filling up that which remains of Christ as we suffer in the flesh just as did our Master.

Sectarian denominationalism is so busy with other menial non-priorities, that there isn't even solid teaching about sin and repentance and faith and hope and love and grace, and all relative to hypostasis and prosopon for man in regards to the new creation and the old man.

When someone very educated posits that I've made up the term Hamartiology, it's a sad day for modern Theology and the Gospel.

Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I'm dead, nevertheless I live. NOW!!

I find this post very edifying brother and very refreshing Lord knows I do grow tired of batting it back and forth with those that pervert the Gospel and cheapen Christ's sacrifice through their blindness & ignorance to the beauty of what Christ has done for us. Keep it up brother, continue to stand for the faith. :thumb: