Clete,
What I think is irrelevant. That's the point.
Can’t believe I missed this before, this is great. That’s the problem, Clete. Nothing you think is relevant, and by your own admission it’s the point of what you’re getting at. Why should anyone listen to someone who admits what they think is irrelevant anyway? What you’ve told me in this quote is that you have suspended the use of your brain. You claim to have cut off my arms and legs but friend, you just removed your own head.
By the way, sorry about my recent absence. I’m sure y’all missed me, but I’m in the process of moving so things have been a little hectic. Let’s see, what’s next…
Ah yes!
Thus the Christian world view is the correct one because of the impossibility of the contrary.
Um, yeah, Ima need chapter and verse to back this up with. I don’t buy into the bible, but I’d like to see how you justify this. Just for kicks.
Dotcom,
Hilston is saying we need common sense which according to these posts is not that common. When my eyes lie to me there is water on the road ahead of me while driving through a desert road, who actually argues it may be a mirage, Soulman or Hilston? Of course, Hilston.
Okay, this is just a really bad analogy. Sorry, but it is what it is. All I got from this is that not having a biblical worldview affects non-believer’s common sense. That’s just bad theology I think.
You have repeatedly been told - Knowledge based on belief is NOT empirical. Why do you demand it should be Prodigal?
Because it’s not that innocent. Fundamentalist Christians are not that innocent. They are attempting to pass off their belief based knowledge as indisputable. I see a problem with that.
I’m so backed up. It’s incredible. Back to Clete now.
Clete,
It is the only world view that doesn't lead to endless question begging and logical incoherence.
You see, here’s your problem again: You think that having questions is a bad thing. As for the logical incoherence, well, I just don’t think you’re capable of seeing through my eyes. You may say the same thing, and that’s fine, but I’ve always said that you’re free to believe and see whatever you want to believe is there, regardless of what reality dictates. It’s just not as illogical as you would like to believe. The search for truth is in no way illogical, and to say that YOU, and all true Christians alike have arrived to some higher plateau of existence, and to threaten us with your god, and with hell without even the slightest shred of proof that what you believe IS in fact what is and will happen, well…
It kind rubs me the wrong way.
I have never had such a decisive victory in any debate with an unbeliever before
Now this is just arrogance. I’d like chapter and verse in the bible where it justifies your attitude. I’m sure you’ll probably find one, but for every one thing the bible says there’s usually another verse that contradicts it.
I can only assume that this in reference to the quotation I made in reference to Soulman making a judgment without knowing the facts. If so, I had this exact teaching in mind!
I think Wickwoman was just using that scripture for your attitude in general, Clete. You are, in point of fact, somewhat unpleasant.
while their own world view has been factually shown to be in that very condition.
If that happened I missed it. Sorry to make you backtrack, but in a nutshell, what was the fact/s that demonstrated my worldview to be in such an unfortunate condition?
What is relevant is what the Bible actually teaches and whether or not that teaching is in agreement with reality, which it is, and must be because of the impossibility of the contrary.
You religion possesses thousands of theologians who have spent their lives disagreeing on the existence of what you are saying. What the bible actually teaches has been up in the air since common people got their hands on it. No one agrees where you claim they agree, Clete.
Who or what Biblical writers held in esteem apart from the Lord God Jesus Christ is utterly and totally irrelevant especially if that thing was in conflict with the Bible itself. The point is that Enoch is not in the Bible and is therefore not to be considered of divine origin.
Unfortunately a “sinful” man, or group of sinners were in charge of leaving that out of the bible. How can you say with any certainty that those in charge of discerning what was and wasn’t divinely inspired, were not just mistaken? What assurance do you have? According to what you and Hilston have argued, you really have no assurance, because you rely on the bible to validate your senses and the bible was manufactured by men with their own hidden agendas.
I will discuss the moral implications of this episode in Scripture with you when you have established that you have any grounds upon which to make such moral observations and judgments in the first place (which I do not believe you will be able to do).
Ah, the dodge. Make a challenge impossible for any man to best without your worldview and then walk away claiming victory. Clete, do you really think you’re fooling us?
They are disqualified because they cannot account for rationality, logic and the ability to know facts in the first place
Okay, Ima need scripture, chapter and verse backing up what you’re saying here. Also I’d like to know on what grounds you make this blanket statement against every other worldview on the planet. There is nothing unique about Christianity. There are other ways of explaining things, and some of them make far more sense than Christianity in the first place.
Where does the bible ever make mention of itself? Is there a verse somewhere that implicates the necessity of the bible?
You can debate all day long about what the Bible means here, or is that piece of Scripture over there to be taken literally of figuratively or whatever and you can do that till the cows come home but until you acknowledge that the Biblical world view in general is true then you can get nowhere in the discussion because you've thrown out the baby with the bath water!
That’s right. The discussion will go nowhere, but that’s not our fault. Your reliance upon your “biblical worldview” has handi-capped you in a very serious way, Clete.
I will not argue as though you have a leg too stand on Soulman! That would be answering the fool according to his folly.
Ah, the dodge. When faced with such a blatant challenge you dodge. Your behavior is predictable, Clete. Once again you’ve shirked responsibility and discredited yourself.
If your world view cannot yield logically coherent answers to these questions you have no business asking for similar information concerning my worldview, it is hypocritical. You are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
This isn’t about Soulman’s worldview. This is about yours. That was the idea in the first place. If your religion isn’t completely unnecessary, than defend it. This was about you, Clete. This was about you and your kind. The only form of defense you have is to admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations.
You still have yet to defend yourself, Clete. Whenever challenged you shrink back with some pathetic counter question to cover yourself, but we’re just not accepting it any more.
You need to come up with some better answers. You need to start doing that fast.
Royal_Lion04
Man you are so pumped, it’s awesome! I wish I could quote your whole post, but I’m gunna be goin’ into double over time anyway on this post. I’m glad you can be so enthusiastic and at the same time so caring about it, thank you.
If the Bible was "written to be impossible to understand," then it would be no good to ANYONE But yet it offers the FREE GIFT of eternal life to EVERYONE
Think about it!
Holy smokes dude you are totally into this thing! You’re the best “Christian salesman” I’ve ever seen.
Ah, now on to my good friend, LH…
Lighthouse,
I never said that. I said that it can't be proven with your senses.
Well golly, LH, that’s kind what I’ve been looking for this whole time, proof that can be tested with the five senses. I appreciate the debate, but I think all you’re going to be good for is making my case.
You actually heard those? What other superpowers do you have?
Hey man! You’re stealing my material!
no amount of "pen spinning" is going to save you. Nor will it prove anything to you.
What you’re telling me here is quite like what Clete has told me. He said that what he thinks is irrelevant, that’s a problem. Now you’re telling me that instead of relying on my eyes to draw conclusions as to the visable aspect of reality, I should rely on detecting that which cannot ever be detected in a physical reality. Hmmmm.
I can't reject Him. I know Him. And I am in Him, as He is in me.
So you don’t have free will? I’m confused.
Prove Jesus is not the Lord, and we shall see.
I’m workin’ on it. Make no mistake.
Dotcom,
Religion will NEVER be obsolete. That infact, was one of prodical's assertions. If he was not self-obsessed with his own thoughts and started listening to what other people write, he could have seen jjjg's post
Oh yeah, fifty-million Americans can’t be wrong. That was such a profound point, it really set a new standard for this thread.
1PeaceMaker
You will convince no one with inflammitory remarks like that.
I don’t think Soulman is trying to convince anyone of anything.
Soulman just wasn't using his head when he wrote that.
Clete admitted that much to me about himself. Think I quoted him above.
Sorry it took me so long to respond, sorry about the length of this post.
Yours truly,
Prodigal
