Thanks for the repost. Didn't see it before. :thumb:
Why does it bother you if people wish to live around others of their own races and or beliefs?
For the same reason I find it objectionable when Trad drops the N-bomb. Segregation carries with it some fairly ignorant and hostile premises...I'd say there's a profound difference between wanting to be around people who think and believe as you do and desiring to exclude. Make no mistake about it, however gentle the phrasing in reverse, the reality is one of exclusion and disdain predicated on irrationality, when it comes to racism.
Beliefs are a choice we make. Race and gender aren't. You can be Catholic or Baptist, conservative or liberal and be poor or rich, white or black, male or female, etc. That is, ultimately we include or exclude ourselves. It denies our neighbor nothing more than our agreement and will only impinge on his mood, if he insists on contemplating the divide.
Are you bothered by places like chinatown or other enclaves in different cities where large groups of like raced/beliefed people live?
No. I would if they meant to exclude whites from ownership of property, etc. and I didn't understand their history...Places like Chinatown came to be because of the white exclusion of minorities from the cities proper. Enclaves of commerce and self-protection sprang up outside of and at the fringes of "polite society" and were allowed for a number of reasons, mostly because those places provided needed labor of one sort or another.
Do you think all those people are "racist" or deficient because they just desire to live and work around others like them?
Do I find people wanting to live in communities and work in environments that exclude minorities deficient and racist. Yes. I do. Because that's the reality behind segregation. A divide along racial lines isn't much of a divide along meaningful ones. White isn't a culture and white's are a disparate bunch absent that collective uniformity of pigmentation, which itself voices no particular opinion.
PS, after reading that other thread today, i agree trad is racist, (i had him on ignore for the majority of my time here, so i had no clue what he believed there without seeing a bunch of his posts with my own eyes) but i still say so what, he has a right to his own opinion.
I'd agree. I'd say everyone has a right to one, including the people noting he is a racist and speaking to the mental and moral deficiency that attends that mentality.
Anyway, that has nothing to do with the questions i asked above, so please dont sidetrack on what trad believes, i want to know what you believe about those things and why.
Not a problem. As you can tell I find the notion expressed to be misleading (not that you're attempting to mislead, but the approach itself is inherently so) because you don't accomplish that desire without excluding. So while it's framed as a movement of like toward like it really and ultimately becomes an exclusion of the other by a band of likes. And when you exclude people for no substantive reason I'd argue that you build on a foundation of irrationality and a want of virtue.