“Fiction” about what? The reality of the CMB, the temperature, what?
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Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1
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If you are going to make a clay bowl, the clay begins "without form". Does light pass through it? In other words, "without form" does not mean transparent or invisible.
Now, please, for the third time, get back on topic. Start a new thread if you'd like to discuss something else.
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“Fart2text” – haven’t heard that before. Is that a term they taught you in Sunday School”
This is a first-class response. I absolutely should have taken the time to really think about the way RD dismissed what I said. I blew it. You have my honest and sincere thanks for showing me a far more productive response than the poor one I offered. For what it's worth, my opinion of you just went up appreciably.
7djengo7
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Productive of what?
Of honest productive exchange of our differing ideas while avoiding implied or overt rancor or putdowns.
RD may declare continuing discussion of the CMB out of bounds in this thread unless it is in the context of allegorical or symbolic meaning. I don’t know of any symbolic or allegorical meanings that the CMB might carry, but if you do, please offer them. But I will ask directly, are you saying the CMB is fiction, and not real?
7djengo7
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I'm saying that you are using your phrase, "the CMB," in a fictional way, rather than in a cognitively meaningful way.
Clete, I have a backlog of posts in this thread that I hope to find time for soon. Several times by chance I have seen recent posts to me that I responded quickly to, posts after this one from you. So I have you in the queue, but I don’t have a good feel for how long it might take me to get caught up.
As to your mention of “one additional chance … will be ignored”, you need to understand that I pay little attention to such ultimatums. I essentially said much the same to RD, though I have interacted briefly with him since. If indeed you choose to ignore me, then go for it, and I wish you well. I still appreciate when you have been polite and constructive in explaining your positions, including when you are responding to others. And if I feel you are remiss in a point you are making, I may point that out. You may ignore me, but even though the posts in these threads may be person-to-person, the audience that reads them is not just you and me.
7djengo7
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Oh, also...what (if anything) do you mean by "real"? What, beyond a thing's being a thing, would prompt you to call a thing, "real"?
Well, that is a bit of a relief that you indeed seem inclined to say the CMB is real. To dismiss it completely is a level of science denial that would pretty well be a barrier to any hope of productive discourse.
But I am still unclear of what I said regarding the CMB that you term as fiction. More specific details, please?
Ontology? Really? Are you real? Am I real? Is the book on my desk labelled “Holy Bible” real? Is the microwave radiation that we receive from space real?
If you think “real’ is not applicable to the CMB, then please explain why.
7djengo7
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I say neither "the CMB is real" nor "the CMB is not real," since I'm not in the habit of speaking in ways I do not consider to be cognitively meaningful.
In other words, when you can't get someone to play along with you in accordance with the way in which you are conditioned to using your words, you vent your anger and frustration at them by uttering cheap, meaningless, emotive phrases like "science denial".
I am unclear of what (if anything) you mean by that. I thought I had made it clear that what I was "terming as fiction" is your use of the phrase, "the CMB".
I think you're being a little unfair.
I've been clear that most of what I have shared is mere speculation.
It did not remain without form.
7djengo7
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Could you please rephrase your "question"?
I had asked you:
You: <NO ANSWER>
7djengo7
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Could you please rephrase your "question"?
Could you please rephrase your "question"?
Could you please rephrase your "question"?
Could you please rephrase your "question"?
Could you please rephrase your "question"?
Oh, and in each case, please do so sans your word, "real".
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Careful, Stripe! Why, she's liable to bring out the heavy artillery by telling you you've failed to "avoid a third strike".
She doesn't know I'm a cricketer. No strikes. Bat all day.Careful, Stripe! Why, she's liable to bring out the heavy artillery by telling you you've failed to "avoid a third strike".
Asked and answered. The context determines it. Not just the context of the specific verse but of the whole bible as well.
God did not create Himself but God did create light, Idolater. Light, unlike space and time, is a physical thing that exists in the physical/created universe. If God were the sort of light that you see with your eyes then there would have been no need for Him to say, "Let there be light." God, very simply, is not electromagnetic radiation!
Genesis 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
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