justatruthseeker
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No it doesn’t.
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Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1
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justatruthseeker
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Proves my point. The firstborn of every creature. Are you claiming no other creatures were born before Jesus was born?
On the other hand I specifically agree with this passage as Jesus was the very first being God created. Then everything else was created by God but through His son…
Adam was made in the image of God too. Don’t see you claiming that makes him God.
It did please the Father to bring all things to Him through His son, who then gives all things back to God.
1 Corinthians 15:34
“Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power”
justatruthseeker
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You don’t understand the word “complete.
The earth was formless and void, not complete.
Have you ever seen light from something non-material? So apparently this light was not light as you mistake it to be but Jesus understood quite well being the light of the world. If you think Jesus is electromagnetic radiation as we understand light, well there’s not much hope for n this conversation.
If you think the light of even God himself is electromagnetic radiation, then there is zero hope for this conversation……
I’m not sure any words can convince someone who confuses the light of God or Jesus with electromagnetic radiation given off by physical objects….
justatruthseeker
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Are you sure?
Romans 1:20
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”
Everything is made from this energy you claim has nothing to do with the aspect of God and everything will return to this energy. It exists everywhere, even in the emptiness of space.
Without energy you wouldn’t have thought or even life. Just what do you think the image we were created in was?
The man has become like one of us…. Knowing… good and bad…
The Bible tells you if you choose to listen….
Right Divider
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Yes, it does.
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You are ignorant of the meaning the word translated to "firstborn". It has nothing to do with being "born" at all. It has to do with preeminence.
Col 1:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
John 1:3 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
ALL THINGS were create BY HIM. Therefore, He cannot be one of them.
That is JW garbage.
That is because Adam is not God, but Jesus is.
Irrelevant to Christ's deity.
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Derf
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If the earth existed before the Son, then it wasn't made by Him, yet John tells us everything that was made was made by Him. How do you reconcile that?
Yet that's not the kind of light described in Gen 1. It was light that could be blocked, so it can't be Jesus.
So you're saying you are so confused that there's nothing that will convince you?
Yes, very much so.
Stupidity. Is this really how you do theology? Is this really the process you used to form your doctrine? If so, there is no wild-eyed insanity that is outside the grasp of your belief system.
Romans 1:20 is referencing the obviously designed nature of the created order. It's referencing the fact that it cannot have happened by accident. Just as a watch is proof of a watch maker, the creation itself is proof of a creator. If something has been made, then someone made it.There isn't any hint in Romans or anywhere else in either the bible or plain common sense that God Himself is somehow be manipulated through electrical wires so as to create visible light and heat when you turn your bedroom light on. DUH!
You need to read my posts more carefully. I never suggested that there wasn't any sort of energy that God uses and perhaps even is. But just because God is capable of performing actions (i.e. using energy) does not mean that He is energy itself and even if He is energy itself does not mean that He is all and every type of energy no matter its source. God is NOT electromagnetic radiation, for example, which is a form of energy. (A point you have already agreed with.) Likewise, God is not gravity and He is not the weak or strong atomic force. All such forces are what's involved in everything from chemical reactions to the fact that you stop at the floor when you fall down. These things are part of the created order and are not God Himself as anyone older then 12 years of age could tell you.
As for our having been created in the image of God, the major clue on that subject comes in John chapter one where Christ, the direct, physical incarnation of the Creator into human form is discussed. It is the human intellect, the fact that reason is our only means of survival, that demonstrates our creation in the image of Logos.
You're tripping over something close to the truth, in spite of yourself.
Who do you suppose the word "us" refers too?
Make an argument or go away. I am not interested in deciphering what you think is some sort of riddle. Any additional comments of this kind will be ignored. If they become what you post, in general, you will be ignored totally.
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justatruthseeker
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No it doesn’t.
justatruthseeker
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So when it says Jesus was the firstborn from the dead that’s preeminence right, even though Elijah resurrected bones and Jesus resurrected Lazarus.
Your belief doesn’t hold water.
Jesus was the firstborn of the dead to eternal life and the firstborn of every creature because he was the first and only being created by God. God’s “only-begotten” son….
And just like we must add that unwritten qualifier that Jesus was the firstborn from the dead to “eternal” life not preeminent in being resurrected to life… well I’m sure you can logic out the rest….
Trinity is pegan garbage…
Neither one is.
Irrelevant to you because you can’t handle the irreconcilable belief that God is going to give the Kingdom to God. N stead of the son who is not God will give it to God.
Who said Jesus wasn’t Devine? Or can’t be considered a god? After all, men the word of God were written to were called gods by God…. And yet scripture can’t be nullified…
That’s why Jesus defended himself against the false accusation of blasphemy by the Pharisees when they accused him of claiming to be God.
The perfect point to support that claim if he was indeed God. Instead he defended himself against their false charge.
And now here you are accusing Jesus of blasphemy once again….
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justatruthseeker
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You mean like it tells us he was firstborn from the dead even though Lazarus was resurrected before Jesus? So your preeminence contradiction is just that. So the qualifier firstborn from the dead must be understood as to eternal life….
And since you know Jesus was the only-begotten of God and the firstborn, you must qualify that with all “other” things.
Your belief leads you into contradiction after contradiction trying to uphold Psgan beliefs that crept into the church…
How was it blocked? After the light the darkness was lifted….
Seems you are delving into fantasy to uphold your beliefs now.
John told you why he wrote down all these things, but you don’t believe him…
justatruthseeker
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Is this how you do your argument by ad-hominem?
Through electrical wires? Is that your best argument?
Define energy please….
You don’t have a clue what it is and neither does any scientist on this planet….
And yet you can’t tell me what energy is, nor can any scientist except “work”…
So much for those older than 12….
His only-begotten son.
Why are you confused thinking it’s 3 gods in one like the Pegans did?
The first sign of ignorance…. Thinking they were wise they became fools…
Yes, that verse was directed right at you…
Oh and btw…. I still await your oh so intelligent definition of energy. Please enlighten us all oh wise one…
Evidence please…. Your patronizing assertions are unimpressive….
Idolater
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" ... Begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father ... "
Derf
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Which could mean, since no qualifyer is provided (as opposed to your everlasting life qualifier), that the only thing Jesus made were things in Joseph's wood shop. But that's ridiculous, we both agree, and so is the qualifier that only serves to limit Jesus' creative work to fit your preconceptions.
I have no idea what that means.
How is light blocked today?
I don't believe John when he said the Word was God? I don't see where you get that, as I do believe John.
Right Divider
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CONTEXT determines the meaning of a word.
Yes, it does.
So God did not create Adam and Eve? Your beliefs do not match the Bible.
Gen 5:1-2 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:1) This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; (5:2) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
You are simply confused due to your acceptance of false doctrines.
No, the Triune God is Biblical and true.
JW doctrines are false.
Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS, therefore He cannot be a "creation" or "created being".
John 1:1-3 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (1:2) The same was in the beginning with God. (1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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@justatruthseeker Try commenting on the topic of the thread. Start a new thread for other discussions.
You're hysterics won't get you anywhere other than on my ignore list.
The reason you aren't smart enough to know what energy is, is because you think its a thing instead of an idea. Energy is simply action and reaction. The reason a scientist will tell you that energy is work, is because that's what it is. A body at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon. Similarly, a body in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon. The degree of change in motion is related to the amount of substance being moved and the amount of force applied to it and energy is always transferred not created (i.e. action is met with equal and opposite reaction). Thus, energy is work or the potential for it. This same principle applies not only to large masses like planets, moons, cars and people but also small objects like atoms and electrons. On the small end of that spectrum, there are other things happening that complicate matters but for the purposes of this discussion the effects of Quantum Mechanics can be neglected.
So, energy is simply matter reacting to the forces that have been acted upon it. If you coil up a spring, you haven't added any substance to it. You've simply created a situation where the atoms that make up the spring are being repelled by one another and will push away from each other unless prevented from doing so. If you heat something up, all you've really done is caused the atoms of that thing to move around more quickly. If you heat it up enough, it'll cause the electrons to move to a higher state of energy around their atomic nuclei and when they settle back down to where their normal position, the energy will be released in the form of light which can later be absorbed by something else, like the cells in the back of your eye, and turned into electrical impulses that are interpreted by your brain as the color red (i.e. or whatever color - depending upon how much energy was released and is therefore contained in that photon of light.)
It is all just action and reaction. It isn't magic and there isn't anything mystical about it.
I will not debate Christian doctrine with unbelievers.
Welcome to my ignore list.
I really do wonder what such idiots get out of showing up on this website? Whatever it is, I'm not going to participate in giving it to them.