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Really? A corn on the cob could have come up with something better but still, if that's the bar and all...
Make up your mind.Really? Low bar then...
Really? A corn on the cob could have come up with something better but still, if that's the bar and all...
Make up your mind.Really? Low bar then...
I'm not crying dude
Sweet!What's funny is what you think is funny, that's funny.
Eh, either way the bar was oh so low...Make up your mind.
Oh wow, that was lame as anything man!Oh, sorry....we assumed you're a dude. Rest assured, we won't make that mistake again, crying chick.
Oh wow, that was lame as anything man!
Now, that was better.Well, it put a chagrin on your face.
Now, that was better.
I think someone else gave a reasonable answer--shadows...most likely as the primeval photons converted to other types of matter. This is conjecture, but it fits well enough with both secular and biblical descriptions to not need any symbolism.Thanks, Derf. But alas, I am not sure that advanced my understanding. If God separated the light and the darkness, that implies the light and darkness were not separated before He did that. Can you enlighten me on what non-separated light and darkness is, or looks like? Since light is just a common name for travelling photons, and dark is the absence of such photons, I am having trouble understanding what is being said. If I “unseparated” light and darkness, I would be mixing traveling photons into a place where there wasn’t any. I would end up with perhaps a lower concentration of photons, but that just means the light is dimmer.
Has logic always existed?Based on your declaration that space isn't a thing. If for all intents and purposes all space has always existed, then that's why I'm asking what is the difference between this idea and pantheism? We know and believe that God has always existed, but if space also has always existed, then space therefore shares the property with only God, of permanent, eternal existence. This to my mind makes space basically God (along with light). And I don't see any Scripture that would support that notion (as opposed to light).
Light does not require space to exist.
It helps to define space. I define it as the distance (noun) between matter. If there were no matter, only a mind, there would not be no space, rather there would be no way to measure any distances. However, the mind could conceptualize bits of matter — and therefore space —even without creating it.Setting aside time (as that is a whole other ontological ball of wax imo).
What I agree with is that if you have a point (I mean a Euclidean point, not a point in an argument), then you could conceive of that point as being somewhere, except and only except, if there is literally nothing else in existence. In that exceptional case, then your point would be, in our parlance, everywhere and nowhere at once, since there is nothing else. And since I'm talking about a Euclidean point, this point itself also takes no space, by definition.
So what if God, Who is light, and Who has always existed, basically was always in His complete existence a Euclidean point, and in this point existed all deity, and He is light, so also all light existed but all only just "within" (figurative language since "within" kind of requires space) this, point.
Then you really have no space, since as you say, space is basically demonstrated through comparison between two points. If there's only one point, then there's no space, or at least, there's no space necessary.
Obviously this goes beyond our ability to truly conceive, I think. What on Earth does "no space" even mean? idk. But logically, just taking the meaning of terms at face value, if there is just one single solitary Euclidean point, and nothing else, then space just isn't required for that point to exist, and in all His fullness.
What do you think?
What do you think Genesis 2:4 means?In this thread the flow of comments that started with Stripe’s mention of the CMB soon led into discussions about light and darkness which then led to discussions about what it means to say God is light. I thought the purpose of this thread was to examine the creation account as presented in Genesis 1. As I read it, in Genesis 1 the “light” that is spoken of is what God called “Day” and the darkness He called “night”. I think discussions about whether God himself is moving photons, or whether He cloned himself by saying “Let there be light” are a bit off topic. The meaning of “light” in Genesis 1 is what we refer to when we go to the sunny beach and get a sunburn. In other words, if you’re not talking about the light that defines daytime, I think you’re off the subject that this thread was designed for.
But I also confess that I feel not very qualified to “explain the allegory and/or the symbolism” of Genesis 1. For me, so far I don’t know whether Genesis 1 is a clearly stated literal account, or is reliant on us discerning symbols or allegories within it. But so far the divergent and incompatible views in this thread on what it means (just a few verses into it), are evidence to me that it is not obvious what is factual and what is symbolic or allegorical in Gen 1.
Dunno. But if the Bible was (in effect) authored by God, and is crucial for us to understand, then I would surely hope God is a competent enough author that I can start on page 1, understand it, and then page 2, etc. This is a Gen 1 thread, remember?What do you think Genesis 2:4 means?
Derf said:… a reasonable answer--shadows...most likely as the primeval photons converted to other types of matter. This is conjecture, but it fits well enough with both secular and biblical descriptions…
It says "this is history."Dunno.
What says what is history?It says "this is history."