Against abortion and against person-hood?

[glassjester]

I'm puzzled why you would ask this when you know that with a simple touch, you would immediately reawaken.

That's irrelevant to your point before. While I am asleep, my self-awareness ceases. I could be more specific, if you'd like. Let's say during dreamless sleep, my self-awareness ceases.

Have I ceased to be a human person during that time (no matter how brief)?

 

[ok doser]

The beginning of human development does not logically definite the existence of an actual human being.

of course it does

It only defines the existence of the process by which an actual human being eventually comes into existence.

only if you define "human being" as something other than human

or being

 

[Crucible]

The extreme inconsistency is strong in this thread.

Fetus:

Born human:

Pro-life advocates go on exhaustive technicalities in response to rebukes, but yet sit there and make a sweeping generalization on what a human being is.

They'll take anything, no matter how dubious or contradictory- just as long as it feeds into their notions.

 

[Rusha]

The extreme inconsistency is strong in this thread.

Fetus:

Born human:

Pro-life advocates go on exhaustive technicalities in response to rebukes, but yet sit there and make a sweeping generalization on what a human being is.

They'll take anything, no matter how outlandish or contradictory- just as long as it feeds into their made up claim.

So why do you even refer to yourself as prolife? The arguments and complete disregard you show for the unborn is consistent with those who are pro-abortion.

 

[quip]

Pro-lifers should ace this one!

 

[Crucible]

So do you even refer to yourself as prolife? The arguments and complete disregard you show for the unborn is consistent with those who are pro-abortion.

There's pro-life, and there's 'pro-life'. The political, neo-conservative one, and the logical, consistent one.


You all eat eggs, refer to their innards as egg whites and egg yolks, and never have referred to it as a 'chicken'. Do you know why? Because that is your intuitive knowledge.

That is why you all get nowhere in your notion that abortion is murder, because there is nothing existent in human intuition to see fetuses as the same as born humans.

 

[Rusha]

There's pro-life, and there's 'pro-life'. The political, neo-conservative one, and the logical, consistent one.


You all eat eggs, refer to their innards as egg whites and egg yolks, and never have referred to it as a 'chicken'. Do you know why? Because that is your intuitive knowledge.

That is why you all get nowhere in your notion that abortion is murder, because there is nothing existent in human intuition to see fetuses as the same as born humans.

This is your stupidest argument by far. As a child and teen, did you name your egg whites and yolks? What did you name them? Did you plan for their future?

Those who value the lives of the unborn would never compare them to chickens, egg whites and egg yolks.

 

[ok doser]

You all eat eggs, refer to their innards as egg whites and egg yolks, and never have referred to it as a 'chicken'. Do you know why?

because the eggs we eat are unfertilized?

 

[quip]

because the eggs we eat are unfertilized?

Do you refer to the fertilized ones as chickens?

 

[PureX]

That's irrelevant to your point before. While I am asleep, my self-awareness ceases. I could be more specific, if you'd like. Let's say during dreamless sleep, my self-awareness ceases.

Have I ceased to be a human person during that time (no matter how brief)?

Perhaps so. But of course the rest of us would not treat you as a non-person immediately, because we would expect you to awaken, and resume being a person.

Why are you trying to disregard reason? 'Personhood' is not an absolute that either exists or doesn't. It's a concept that we apply to a set of phenomena. Surely you recognize this.

 

[ok doser]

Do you refer to the fertilized ones as chickens?

if i was a poultry farmer and was counting on them to feed my supply chain?

yeah, i might

 

[Delmar]

Do you refer to the fertilized ones as chickens?

I eat eggs and chickens

 

[Delmar]

Do you refer to the fertilized ones as chickens?

People who plan on loving their unborn baby usually call it a baby. It wasn't until it became common to kill it that people started using terms that "sounded" less than human.

 

[glassjester]

Perhaps so. But of course the rest of us would not treat you as a non-person immediately, because we would expect you to awaken, and resume being a person.

What if I wasn't going to awaken for another 5 or 6 months? Would it be alright to treat me as a non-person then?

 

[Town Heretic]

I'm puzzled why you would ask this when you know that with a simple touch, you would immediately reawaken.

So potential is sufficient?

And that even as you were asleep, your consciousness was working out it's own immutable puzzles in your dreams, while your body rests.

The mind doesn't spend all of the time dreaming. So what then?

This phenomena of dream-sleep is part of the experience of being a living person. A part that doesn't occur in fetuses or cadavers.

And haircuts. Only real people get those...why? Because real people can grow hair that must then be cut...or shaved. lain: I

f you follow.

 

[quip]

I eat eggs and chickens

Me too, they're quite tasty...though I don't get the two confused. Do you?

 

[quip]

People who plan on loving their unborn baby usually call it a baby.

Why would they not?

I'm sure those that don't desire their unborn baby......don't.

 

[quip]

So potential is sufficient?

No, it's only necessary.

 

[quip]

if i was a poultry farmer and was counting on them to feed my supply chain?

yeah, i might

Somehow that stretch seems ...fitting.

Would you consider yourself pro-poultry if you did? lain:

 

[PureX]

What if I wasn't going to awaken for another 5 or 6 months? Would it be alright to treat me as a non-person then?

"What if" questions are irrelevant. If you have to resort to "what if" questions to make a point, you need to re-think your position.