Abortion-a crying shame. (HOF thread)
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Maybe you haven't given the topic then appropriate amount of mental attention.
Tell me....
Is all killing murder?
Balder
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Sozo,
I take Crow's post #39 to be a request that I not take this thread on a tangent, so if you want to talk about this topic further, you can post to me on one of my threads in the General Theology forum.
To answer your question, though, Buddhism originally promoted vegetarianism, but not all Buddhists follow that anymore. The emphasis is on not killing human beings in particular, while also protecting all life to the greatest extent practical.
I take Crow's post #39 to be a request that I not take this thread on a tangent, so if you want to talk about this topic further, you can post to me on one of my threads in the General Theology forum.
To answer your question, though, Buddhism originally promoted vegetarianism, but not all Buddhists follow that anymore. The emphasis is on not killing human beings in particular, while also protecting all life to the greatest extent practical.
C
cattyfan
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I'm a late comer to this thread today.
First, thank you for the warning. I was the one who originally requested it (before the lengthy discussion by some other posters) because I became very literally physically ill when yesterday I unexpectedly came across a graphic photo. I appreciate the warning. With the chance to brace myself, I went ahead and read all of the posts from page one.
Secondly, many of you know when I originally came to TOL, I was adamantly and loudly pro-choice. I was badgered, challenged, questioned, threatened, called names, and sent notes. But it was the quiet voices which caught my attention. And it was because of those gentle, thoughtful messages I began to examine my beliefs. I prayed, contemplated, read Bible passages, looked at pictures of my nieces and nephews. I researched, read, and prayed some more.
Then I received the following note:
This is how I responded:
I should have given some credit to Sozo, as it was his anger towards me which originally got my attention.
The pictures on this thread made me sob. The easy dismissal of those same photos by some posters made me sob harder. My time here at TOL has forever changed me, and I am no longer pro-choice. I may be stubborn, but I'm not stupid. Those pictures clearly show children whose lives were ended by unnatural means. That's murder.
:cattyfan:
First, thank you for the warning. I was the one who originally requested it (before the lengthy discussion by some other posters) because I became very literally physically ill when yesterday I unexpectedly came across a graphic photo. I appreciate the warning. With the chance to brace myself, I went ahead and read all of the posts from page one.
Secondly, many of you know when I originally came to TOL, I was adamantly and loudly pro-choice. I was badgered, challenged, questioned, threatened, called names, and sent notes. But it was the quiet voices which caught my attention. And it was because of those gentle, thoughtful messages I began to examine my beliefs. I prayed, contemplated, read Bible passages, looked at pictures of my nieces and nephews. I researched, read, and prayed some more.
Then I received the following note:
This is how I responded:
I should have given some credit to Sozo, as it was his anger towards me which originally got my attention.
The pictures on this thread made me sob. The easy dismissal of those same photos by some posters made me sob harder. My time here at TOL has forever changed me, and I am no longer pro-choice. I may be stubborn, but I'm not stupid. Those pictures clearly show children whose lives were ended by unnatural means. That's murder.
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the Sibbie
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Yes, thank you :cattyfan: for sharing your testimony!
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Wow, Catty. I admire you beyond words. 
You, whose life is in danger if ever becoming pregnant, would take such a stand. I only hope to match this kind of integrity that I've found in you.
You are my new hero!!!
You, whose life is in danger if ever becoming pregnant, would take such a stand. I only hope to match this kind of integrity that I've found in you.
You are my new hero!!!
C
cattyfan
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thank you for the compliment. I'm humbled by those of you who've given their time and wisdom to help teach me.
I've never been good about admitting mistakes or talking about such a personal, deeply-held opinion. But after reading through this thread I was compelled to discuss how the Holy Spirit and those who belong here on TOL have changed me. I only hope this helps others whose hearts have been hardened by a society that encourages the blatant disregard for human life.
I've never been good about admitting mistakes or talking about such a personal, deeply-held opinion. But after reading through this thread I was compelled to discuss how the Holy Spirit and those who belong here on TOL have changed me. I only hope this helps others whose hearts have been hardened by a society that encourages the blatant disregard for human life.
Well thankfully most people aren't as dumb as you are and most people can see the difference between "killing" and "murder".
You see.... most people are smart enough to realize that when a lady is being raped in a grocery store parking lot and she stabs the attacker in the throat with her pocket knife she didn't commit a murder. In fact what she did was a good thing!
You..... on the other hand will live your life making a fool of yourself because your too stupid to make this simple distinction.
“And will you profane Me among My people ...., killing people who should not die, and keeping people alive who should not live,...� - Ezekiel 13:19
Actually it is us (TOL and it's mod's and admin's) that are honored to have such an honest and frank Christian woman like you Catty as a member of our website.
C
cattyfan
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apology accepted, but given that it was you who got me to initially pay attention, I don't think you need to apologize. And thank you for the support.
ShadowMaid
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I just came across this thread, and I was near tears when I saw that one picuture of the child with a severed head next to where is actually should have been. I can't understand how people can do that for a living. What a beautiful being, and they can killed it, heartlessly. It makes me so mad. I can hardly stand it.
I'm only 14 (almost 15 now! ), but I'm actually looking forward to getting married young, and motherhood.
Until then I just cry, and go to some abortion protests. Which I actually thoroughly enjoy. I feel so much better with how I spent my time that day. But yet I still feel so sad, knowing that I didn't stop aborion, and sometimes it seems that I only made someone madder and stick with abortion even more.
It's very sad to see young girls, only a little older then me yelling from a distance saying that we're full of it, and so on.
From this thread, I feel my duty to go out and try my best to stop all of this. It shouldn't happen, and we shouldn't be silent anymore.
I'm only 14 (almost 15 now!
), but I'm actually looking forward to getting married young, and motherhood.Until then I just cry, and go to some abortion protests. Which I actually thoroughly enjoy. I feel so much better with how I spent my time that day. But yet I still feel so sad, knowing that I didn't stop aborion, and sometimes it seems that I only made someone madder and stick with abortion even more.
It's very sad to see young girls, only a little older then me yelling from a distance saying that we're full of it, and so on.
From this thread, I feel my duty to go out and try my best to stop all of this. It shouldn't happen, and we shouldn't be silent anymore.
Catty-
Thank you. You are a great and wonderful person.
Sozo-
I feel the same way as Cattyfan. You seemed nothing more than abrasive and full of...hot air, when I arrived here. But somehow I saw your point, and I changed my mind. You are now someone I respect deeply.
Thank you. You are a great and wonderful person.
Sozo-
I feel the same way as Cattyfan. You seemed nothing more than abrasive and full of...hot air, when I arrived here. But somehow I saw your point, and I changed my mind. You are now someone I respect deeply.
Like you and catty, Sozo grew on me too. He's always been availiable when I need a point of theology explained, he's never held back from telling me when I was wrong, and he's been kind and helpful in recommending books that have helped me to understand the Christian faith better.
He ain't so bad once you get to know him. But don't tell Sozo that. :chuckle: