‘My son is not the same’: New testimony paints bleak picture of family separation

[ok doser]

You went from "i never lived through the hyper-inflation and social collapse of the 20's and 30's in germany" to Nazis and the holocaust.

sorry, i thought "what they did after" was obvious


let me try again


your claim was: "Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them"


i never lived through the hyper-inflation and social collapse of the 20's and 30's in germany, the rise of fascism and militarism and all the events leading up to the Holocaust and the Holocaust itself

logically, therefore, I'm in no place to judge the Germans for the Holocaust


does that make sense to you?

 

[ok doser]

anna, to barbie:

....I'm sorry to see you're banned. I have no idea why.

file a complaint with the management :banana:

 

[annabenedetti]

sorry, i thought "what they did after" was obvious

No, it wasn't obvious. You could have been talking about trying to understand why the Jewish people found it difficult to fight back against increasingly antisemitic laws and regulations, what was the mindset the average German and how much and how many understood what was happening, and that's just for starters and the sake of brevity.

let me try again


your claim was: "Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them"


i never lived through the hyper-inflation and social collapse of the 20's and 30's in germany, the rise of fascism and militarism and all the events leading up to the Holocaust and the Holocaust itself

logically, therefore, I'm in no place to judge the Germans for the Holocaust


does that make sense to you?

Your first made sense in that context, then you added another layer.

So are you talking about those responsible for genocide only? Or Germans who went along out of self-preservation or any myriad of reasons, or broke the law to shelter Jews, etc.?

And if you're aiming for a false equivalence by comparing the SS to immigrants and their children seeking sanctuary, tell me now.

 

[ok doser]

in examining the validity of anna's claim: "Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them"

No, it wasn't obvious. You could have been talking about trying to understand why the Jewish people found it difficult to fight back against increasingly antisemitic laws and regulations, what was the mindset the average German and how much and how many understood what was happening, and that's just for starters and the sake of brevity.

doesn't really matter, does it?

in the context of your statement, since I never lived through any of that, I'm not in a place to judge any of them

Your first made sense in that context, then you added another layer.

So are you talking about those responsible for genocide only? Or Germans who went along out of self-preservation or any myriad of reasons, or broke the law to shelter Jews, etc.?

supra dupra


and no, i'm not making a false equivalency, merely trying to examine the validity of your statement "Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them"

seems to me that i would not be "in a place to judge" anybody or anything, only myself and the experiences I've had

clearly this is not a position that you hold for yourself

 

[ok doser]

and isn't barbie festive today? :banana:

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Last week, Democratic attorneys general in 17 states and the District of Columbia filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration, arguing that its practice of separating families violated the due process and equal protection clauses of the Fifth Amendment...........

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,220,300 adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails in 2013 – about 0.91% of adults (1 in 110) in the U.S. resident population.

All of them are separated from their families, children, parents, siblings.

According to your brain-dead half-witted sacks-of-garbage Democratic attorneys general in 17 states, they all have had their due process and equal protection clauses of the Fifth Amendment violated.

Where were you for them?

The baby-killer who is pro-life is also the family-unifier as long as the families are illegal aliens.

You're a putrid excuse for a human being.

 

[Arthur Brain]

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,220,300 adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails in 2013 – about 0.91% of adults (1 in 110) in the U.S. resident population.

All of them are separated from their families, children, parents, siblings.

According to your brain-dead half-witted sacks-of-garbage Democratic attorneys general in 17 states, they all have had their due process and equal protection clauses of the Fifth Amendment violated.

Where were you for them?

The baby-killer who is pro-life is also the family-unifier as long as the families are illegal aliens.

You're a putrid excuse for a human being.

She's far from it and you're just a dope who would fawn over Trump if he started a Pre-emptive strike...

 

[Catholic Crusader]

She's far from it.....

She is EXACTLY it and so are you, flying in with your cape and mask. LOL. Lame.

Do you think youre scoring points with her by defending her every stupidity? What a loser

Captain Save-a-Ho

 

[Arthur Brain]

She is EXACTLY it and so are you, flying in with your cape and mask. LOL. Lame.

"LOL"? What are you, a twelve year old girl? anna doesn't need me to come to her aid with anything but she has more intelligence, objectivity and compassion that you could only dream of matching. You're a highly strung, gullible little crank with one huge chip on his shoulder.

 

[George Affleck]

and isn't barbie festive today? :banana:

Yes...all decked out in red!!

 

[annabenedetti]

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,220,300 adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails in 2013 – about 0.91% of adults (1 in 110) in the U.S. resident population.

All of them are separated from their families, children, parents, siblings.

According to your brain-dead half-witted sacks-of-garbage Democratic attorneys general in 17 states, they all have had their due process and equal protection clauses of the Fifth Amendment violated.

Where were you for them?

The baby-killer who is pro-life is also the family-unifier as long as the families are illegal aliens.

You're a putrid excuse for a human being.

:yawn:

 

[annabenedetti]

"LOL"? What are you, a twelve year old girl? anna doesn't need me to come to her aid with anything but she has more intelligence, objectivity and compassion that you could only dream of matching. You're a highly strung, gullible little crank with one huge chip on his shoulder.

Thanks, friend. That's praise I can't live up to, but I'm hoping it means you forgive me for Spy? :chuckle:

Anyhoo, I think the crusader is jealous of your mask and cape.

 

[ok doser]

captain underpants?

 

[annabenedetti]

in examining the validity of anna's claim: "Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them"




doesn't really matter, does it?

Actually, yes it does. Context is important.

in the context of your statement, since I never lived through any of that, I'm not in a place to judge any of them

True.

and no, i'm not making a false equivalency

You are.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Thanks, friend. That's praise I can't live up to, but I'm hoping it means you forgive me for Spy? :chuckle:

Anyhoo, I think the crusader is jealous of your mask and cape.

I'm working on it...

lain:

 

[annabenedetti]

I'm working on it...

lain:

Thank you Arthur. I'm working on being suitably chastened. :angel:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Thank you Arthur. I'm working on being suitably chastened. :angel:

:chuckle:

 

[George Affleck]

For my part, I am all for letting the children be incarcerated with their parents. They should all go to jail together for breaking the law. None of this being nice to the children stuff.

The Trump administration is just too soft hearted!

:shocked:

 

[Catholic Crusader]

For my part, I am all for letting the children be incarcerated with their parents. They should all go to jail together for breaking the law. None of this being nice to the children stuff.

The Trump administration is just too soft hearted!

:shocked:

If these were American parents, child services would be taking their kids away in a heartbeat for dragging their kids into a federal crime.

The person who started this thread is a total imbecile. Who was that, anyway

 

[ok doser]

Actually, yes it does. Context is important.



True.

in what way is your statement:"Until you've lived through what they've lived through, you're in no place to judge them" limited by context?

You are.

wiki:

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.

i made no claim that illegal border crossings were the equivalent of the holocaust