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Speaking of caricatures here's a guy that does musical caricatures. Metal may not be your thing but ... the guy is gifted.

The guy was just so over the top I still don't see how anybody was ever taken in by him. He was a human caricature.

Well, that's why I'm here. To share what I've found while looking around to see if others came across something I missed. As an exercise in logic, imagine the earth spinning and the direction of it's rotation; anything approaching the earth from the equatorial plane would appear to be going from...

Matthew 2:1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Ez 44: 1Then he brought me...

Well, I stand corrected. Following the definition of "sun" in Malachi we come upon the following: שֶׁמֶשׁ shemesh, sheh'-mesh; from an unused root meaning to be brilliant; the sun; by implication, the east; figuratively, a ray, i.e. (architectural) a notched battlement:— east side(-ward), sun...

Ah, Robert Tilton ... I had almost forgotten about him. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clouds+of+glory+robert+tilton+youtube&t=brave&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOa3cPYm5ISU

Although I am a firm believer that friends don't let friends google (cough, cough, ahem, DuckDuckGo) I'm on board with what you are saying here. It would appear to be another layer or facet of the hierarchy of the Elohim.

You just never know where any given thread is going to go and perhaps that's not such a bad thing.

Wonderful, succinct post. I have come to see the "Elohim" as a family/species whose primary residence is the heavenly realm but which has access to ours as well. They also have a hierarchy: 1 Cor 15: 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept...

Concerning the difference between Jesus and angels: Heb 1 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who...

Your post points out the necessity of both returning to the original language and collecting and comparing all instances of these words in order to properly understand what we are reading however well intended any given translation may be.

Point well taken. What we call "The angels" as a group are most often referred to as "the sons of God" which is translated from the word "Elohim." In the singular the term most often used is indeed "Malak" and it's primary meaning is messenger which is not so much an indicator of the manner of...

Well, that's a pretty big serving of scripture there. I would have to assume that you offered them in order of importance to a point you are trying to make. Having established the idea of our faith being accounted to us as righteousness as a general subject you moved immediately to the ordinance...

We used to have a poster here named "Elohim". He would have been all over this like a duck on a June bug.

Calling Jesus "an angel" is technically accurate in that this is one of many ways the term "Elohim" is translated but building doctrine from a translation really has the tail wagging the dog. As there is no direct equivalent to that term in either the Greek or the English, translators were left...

The subject of Jesus prior to His incarnation in the flesh is a REALLY big subject. Not sure I would want to jump to that conclusion over one footnote in one translation. In the mouth of two or three witnesses is a thing established.

Mat 24: 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. This verse plucked out of of Jesus' recounting of what he referred to as the time immediately preceding His return has a meaning that is not immediately apparent as I have addressed in another thread. At the risk of...

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Apparently you have an overarching theme and point you are trying to make here across more than one thread and I missed it in responding to the substance of the two quotes of Ms. White that you offered. My bad. It appears you are concerned primarily with the matters of contention offered in the...

I would suggest to you that man does not have the power to stay God's hand nor prevent Him sending His son at the time of His choosing. Indeed, scripture is replete with passages that indicate He knew precisely the reception His son would receive prior to His incarnation and what His reaction to...