WOOT WOOT DONALD TRUMP IN MOBILE ALABAMA NOW!

[The Barbarian]

Or Obama paradise...take your pick,

Yeah, everyone knows that the Nazis were liberal black guys. WFTH-I

the Kochs or Soros, both sides want the same thing...control over people. This current dose of nationalism is brought to by those that have pushed their progressive liberal socialism to the point that the people will accept nationalism

That was Hitler's pitch to the Kochs, er Krupps.

to rid themselves of progressives on the left & right

Gotta watch out for those right-wing progressives... lain:

 

[The Barbarian]

It's okay, kmo, we're accustomed to being underestimated by our neighbors north and west.

Having lived in Louisiana and Texas, I'm quite aware that people in the South are not generally stupid. A lot of rural areas have horrible schools, but people seem to be pretty much the same in native intelligence, everywhere I've been.

But this nations only original art form, an amazing amount of great art in general, NASA and a rich history of intellectual accomplishment across a good bit of academia may have been mistaken under the drawl.

My youngest daughter is the only one who got the native Texan drawl. She now lives in the Midwest, and while she's extremely bright, she's rather small and has a childlike voice. To my older daughter's disgust, she's learned to use the drawl to her advantage in dealing with difficult people.

 

[Town Heretic]

Having lived in Louisiana and Texas, I'm quite aware that people in the South are not generally stupid. A lot of rural areas have horrible schools, but people seem to be pretty much the same in native intelligence, everywhere I've been.

It varies. Some excellent institutions along the coastline, the Jesuits having a hand in a number of them.

My youngest daughter is the only one who got the native Texan drawl. She now lives in the Midwest, and while she's extremely bright, she's rather small and has a childlike voice. To my older daughter's disgust, she's learned to use the drawl to her advantage in dealing with difficult people.

I can rid my voice almost entirely of the influence or dial up the genteel drawl of my upbringing, depending on circumstance. I've found, in my visits to the north, that its power to engage and disarm, especially when coupled with old school manners, is particularly effective among the fairer sex.

The only downside being the repeated, "Say that again." :chuckle:

 

[OCTOBER23]

TRUMP WON'T BE PRESIDENT.

ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

WAIT AND SEE !!

 

[intojoy]

Yes, people, and he actually showed his forehead (with his hair pushed back, understand?)

What can we say?

The South may love him...

Trump's a homo

I want to see a Cruz Rubio run

 

[annabenedetti]

I can rid my voice almost entirely of the influence or dial up the genteel drawl of my upbringing, depending on circumstance. I've found, in my visits to the north, that its power to engage and disarm, especially when coupled with old school manners, is particularly effective among the fairer sex.

The only downside being the repeated, "Say that again." :chuckle:

Oh, brother... The TOL eye-roll smiley is completely inadequate for my needs here so I won't even bother. :chuckle:

I really, really don't like the feeling of being manipulated, so when I sense something is being said or done because of an expected effectiveness on me, I can be pretty uncooperative. :chuckle:

 

[The Barbarian]

I really, really don't like the feeling of being manipulated, so when I sense something is being said or done because of an expected effectiveness on me, I can be pretty uncooperative.

My oldest daughter is like that. But most of us, me included, are influenced by attentive manners, even when we know it's being done to us.

 

[annabenedetti]

Sounds like a bunch of boloney, written by someone trying to understand what people are feeling from a liberal POV. People in this country have watched this progressive liberal turd of a president go around the world apologizing for our place in it, Americans are winners we don't like losing culturally speaking, we do believe in the rule of law, and the constitution and this president & others before him have undermined the fabric of the nation & it's laws...they are lawless. If you think that this illegal alien infestation is not the single issue that is driving Trumps campaign you would be dead wrong. In the end trying to understand what the groundswell of attraction to the man is can be summed up in the one issue that he is promising to fix, you can say it's wrong, you can disagree but, I believe at least from what I have seen & read is the people are angry & done with this lawlessness.

When it comes to Trump there's no doubt his supporters have let their emotions cloud their judgment, and yes, he does speak (loudly) to their nativism.

In some respects this may be true Anna, the people do not know where to turn given both parties are failures, and refuse to govern as the people have wished, in fact they have went in the opposite direction of the people in many ways so, along comes a man pandering to no special interest, running on his own dime, bashing the establishments of both parties, their candidates, the media, calling out them all in a fashion that may seem ugly to some but, he has hit the right nerves to create a groundswell of support. That one issue...illegal immigration is the one issue that people do agree with him and they dismiss the rest I think.

They dismiss the rest at their peril. And he does have a special interest: himself. Not you, not me, not any one of the poor or the middle class that make up the majority population of this country. He's in this for his own ego, and I'll agree with you: it's ugly.

 

[annabenedetti]

My oldest daughter is like that. But most of us, me included, are influenced by attentive manners, even when we know it's being done to us.

There's a big difference between being gracious instinctively and unconsciously because that's one's natural state of being - and using it intentionally for its effectiveness in order to enjoy the result. That's manipulation.

 

[Town Heretic]

Oh, brother... The TOL eye-roll smiley is completely inadequate for my needs here so I won't even bother. :chuckle:

I really, really don't like the feeling of being manipulated, so when I sense something is being said or done because of an expected effectiveness on me, I can be pretty uncooperative. :chuckle:

Then don't put on make-up and wear a sack cloth out and about.

BAM, eye roll returned.

The manners attend no matter my choice of brogue, but the expectations of my northern cousins are better served (and more happily) by the accentuation. Everyone is happy, charmed and amused...if for different reasons. :cheers:

 

[rocketman]

When it comes to Trump there's no doubt his supporters have let their emotions cloud their judgment, and yes, he does speak (loudly) to their nativism.

The point that I was making is that the Trump phenomena is directly connected to the politicians on both sides that have blown off the law, the will of the people, and the wellbeing of the country for the interest of having an entire class of foreign slave laborers. This issue, whether people want to admit it or not, has effected enough people negatively in so many ways that they are ready to support anyone that is willing to stop it.

They dismiss the rest at their peril. And he does have a special interest: himself. Not you, not me, not any one of the poor or the middle class that make up the majority population of this country. He's in this for his own ego, and I'll agree with you: it's ugly.

That very well may be the case Anna, and I would agree that the man's ego is the biggest candidate in this race but, I would disagree that he has not convinced a very large demographic spanning all classes of the majority (and not just republicans) that he is in this for them. As ugly as it may be, our impotent government which has refused to uphold the law, and has divided this country on ideological lines, and not for the will, or good, of the people has ushered in someone people feel is listening...Washington hasn't listened to the people for some time now. It really is a lesson in where pushing extreme ideologies at one end of the political spectrum will produce something directly opposite as a result.

 

[Granite]

I read someone today compare Trump to the warm-up act of a comedian before the true star comes on stage.

That's what worries me most about Trump: not that the man will win, but that he's opened the door to someone else who will package his nativism, boorishness, and willful ignorance of the facts better, and slicker, than he can or will. Genie's out.

 

[rainee]

Every single person without exception has certain mental strengths and weaknesses, whether they're an immigrant or not. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Every single person without exception has certain mental strengths and weaknesses, whether they're an immigrant or not. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Hi! sorry to be slow to answer.
Anna I m going off the relatively new studies done involving genetic make up. I realize it may change quite a bit before science gets it correct, but it is fascinating what they are looking at. Will try to give some sources for you to look at later but for now -

What I was getting at is people who would leave everything behind and go into an unknown world possibly could be set apart from those who don't.

Maybe they have factors at work on the inside, not just merely on the outside? Maybe they have a higher tolerance for fear? Or excitement? Or are inherently more aggressive? Maybe some were dumb, not comprehending the possible dangers? Maybe some were not social adept? If they had a brain make up or anything like that which could interfere with socializing skills maybe we have a society pretty much filled with rebels and independence fighters? Or rather the offspring of those.

Or I could be all wet. :idunno:

 

[annabenedetti]

Hi! sorry to be slow to answer.
Anna I m going off the relatively new studies done involving genetic make up. I realize it may change quite a bit before science gets it correct, but it is fascinating what they are looking at. Will try to give some sources for you to look at later but for now -

What I was getting at is people who would leave everything behind and go into an unknown world possibly could be set apart from those who don't.

Maybe they have factors at work on the inside, not just merely on the outside? Maybe they have a higher tolerance for fear? Or excitement? Or are inherently more aggressive? Maybe some were dumb, not comprehending the possible dangers? Maybe some were not social adept? If they had a brain make up or anything like that which could interfere with socializing skills maybe we have a society pretty much filled with rebels and independence fighters? Or rather the offspring of those.

Or I could be all wet. :idunno:

People always have factors at work on both the inside and the outside, and I wouldn't describe either as "merely." If you're talking about immigrants and what impels them to leave their homeland for a new country, I'd see both inner and outer motivations and processes as powerful. If you're talking about undocumented Mexican immigrants in particular: in their culture, family is so important to them. To leave loved ones behind, and to expose the family traveling with them to the physical danger and emotional distress involved in crossing the border to work at low-paying, physically demanding jobs in order to provide a better life for them takes more strength of character, courage, determination, self-sacrifice, hope, optimism, and love than many of those braying nativist supporters of Trump will ever hope to experience in their lifetimes.

 

[chrysostom]

People always have factors at work on both the inside and the outside, and I wouldn't describe either as "merely." If you're talking about immigrants and what impels them to leave their homeland for a new country, I'd see both inner and outer motivations and processes as powerful. If you're talking about undocumented Mexican immigrants in particular: in their culture, family is so important to them. To leave loved ones behind, and to expose the family traveling with them to the physical danger and emotional distress involved in crossing the border to work at low-paying, physically demanding jobs in order to provide a better life for them takes more strength of character, courage, determination, self-sacrifice, hope, optimism, and love than many of those braying nativist supporters of Trump will ever hope to experience in their lifetimes.

great post anna

trump supporters are just whiners
somebody must be blamed for their miserable existence

 

[annabenedetti]

I read someone today compare Trump to the warm-up act of a comedian before the true star comes on stage.

That's what worries me most about Trump: not that the man will win, but that he's opened the door to someone else who will package his nativism, boorishness, and willful ignorance of the facts better, and slicker, than he can or will. Genie's out.

Just wanting to give you a public note of support. I disagree with the infraction you received (and Purex's also). Your common sense observations on politics and life in general will be sorely missed by me, and your absence for whatever length of time it's going to be is a loss to the forum. I don't have to agree with you on everything to appreciate what you bring to a discussion to make it interesting and lively.

 

[annabenedetti]

Then don't put on make-up and wear a sack cloth out and about.

BAM, eye roll returned.

:chuckle: Worser and worser.

The manners attend no matter my choice of brogue, but the expectations of my northern cousins are better served (and more happily) by the accentuation. Everyone is happy, charmed and amused...if for different reasons. :cheers:

I don't know about charmed, but I could go with amused, if that helps at all (assuming you won't think too hard about why I'm amused). :chuckle:

Lucky for me, we ladies out west have higher expectations for charmed happiness and a lower tolerance for stuff you step over.

 

[annabenedetti]

When it comes to Trump there's no doubt his supporters have let their emotions cloud their judgment, and yes, he does speak (loudly) to their nativism.

The point that I was making is that the Trump phenomena is directly connected to the politicians on both sides that have blown off the law, the will of the people, and the wellbeing of the country for the interest of having an entire class of foreign slave laborers. This issue, whether people want to admit it or not, has effected enough people negatively in so many ways that they are ready to support anyone that is willing to stop it.

You're proving my point, rocketman.

That very well may be the case Anna, and I would agree that the man's ego is the biggest candidate in this race but, I would disagree that he has not convinced a very large demographic spanning all classes of the majority (and not just republicans) that he is in this for them. As ugly as it may be, our impotent government which has refused to uphold the law, and has divided this country on ideological lines, and not for the will, or good, of the people has ushered in someone people feel is listening...Washington hasn't listened to the people for some time now. It really is a lesson in where pushing extreme ideologies at one end of the political spectrum will produce something directly opposite as a result.

You admit to his ego and to the ugliness he's exhibited (ugliness unworthy of the office), and you allow that it very well may be the case that he's more into himself than he would be for his hypothetical constituents - and you're willing to set aside all the red flags as to the motivations of the base supporting him - because you're mad at the current state of government. Think about what that means. I mean that sincerely.

 

[rocketman]

People always have factors at work on both the inside and the outside, and I wouldn't describe either as "merely." If you're talking about immigrants and what impels them to leave their homeland for a new country, I'd see both inner and outer motivations and processes as powerful. If you're talking about undocumented Mexican immigrants in particular: in their culture, family is so important to them. To leave loved ones behind, and to expose the family traveling with them to the physical danger and emotional distress involved in crossing the border to work at low-paying, physically demanding jobs in order to provide a better life for them takes more strength of character, courage, determination, self-sacrifice, hope, optimism, and love than many of those braying nativist supporters of Trump will ever hope to experience in their lifetimes.

What a pretty picture you draw of what is probably the biggest ugly problem in the U.S., and I wish I could say I share your vision of the lawbreakers that populate the sanctuary cities where you & I live. In reality their presence has not made my city better in fact it has brought it down in many respects to the third world toilet they they came from. This in itself is why illegal aliens have a bad rap...they did not come to become Americans, they came to convert America into the corrupt toilet they fled from. There has been no attempt to assimilate and because people see this invasion for the negative that it is Anna, Trump's "Nativism Bray" as you say, has become a clarion call for a nation weary with this lawlessness & inaction to fix it. You can bag on the guy for bring the issue front & center, you cannot however blame the supporters for backing the only one willing to attack this issue head on...it is not as if lawmakers on both sides have pandered to this group instead of doing as the voters have requested over & over.

 

[annabenedetti]

What a pretty picture you draw of what is probably the biggest ugly problem in the U.S., and I wish I could say I share your vision of the lawbreakers that populate the sanctuary cities where you & I live. In reality their presence has not made my city better in fact it has brought it down in many respects to the third world toilet they they came from. This in itself is why illegal aliens have a bad rap...they did not come to become Americans, they came to convert America into the corrupt toilet they fled from. There has been no attempt to assimilate and because people see this invasion for the negative that it is Anna, Trump's "Nativism Bray" as you say, has become a clarion call for a nation weary with this lawlessness & inaction to fix it. You can bag on the guy for bring the issue front & center, you cannot however blame the supporters for backing the only one willing to attack this issue head on...it is not as if lawmakers on both sides have pandered to this group instead of do as the voters have requested over & over.

That's an ugly post, rocketman. I'm sorry I have to say it, I wish I didn't have to say it.

I have to leave right now, but I'll be back later to continue this, it needs a better reply than I have time for right now.