Why would God need a hell?
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Mickiel
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If God was counting up our sins, or keeping tab of them, we would be in trouble; but God is not like that. Ps. 130:3 " If you would keep track of our sins, O Lord, who could stand?" But there is Forgiveness with you."
See this is why eternal hell punishing is a trick of satan; God has our sins covered. When will the believers in God who preach that unbelievers are doomed, when will they open their eyes and hearts?
See this is why eternal hell punishing is a trick of satan; God has our sins covered. When will the believers in God who preach that unbelievers are doomed, when will they open their eyes and hearts?
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karma
murder a person -1 ,fornicate have a child +1 = even
reality is sin separates you from God
Rom_7:9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.
not about karma its about sin
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
eternal life is not earned it is a free gift
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
clearly not happening anywhere
judgement day tho
Heb_9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
karma is a lie
it is either eternal life or eternal spiritual death
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Joh 5:25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
KingdomRose
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There is no truth in the existence of a fiery hell. I have given extensive evidence of the truth that there are three words translated as "hell" and they all mean something different. When examined, this information would lead one to the conclusion that "hell" means three things, depending on where it is found: (1) the grave, (2) obliteration, or (3) a debased spiritual state. Fire is used to denote things other than conscious physical torture. It is used to signify complete annihilation.
Jesus never taught hell-fire and it is insulting him to say that he did.
YOU seem to be "twice the child of hell."
KingdomRose
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That is correct, and God said that the wicked will be destroyed; they will perish. He does not say that they will be bar-b-qued forever in conscious agony.
The LIE is that we "really will not die." That was what Satan wanted Eve to believe, and he wants all of us to believe. (Genesis 3:4) It is his idea that something within us escapes at death and goes somewhere else, fully conscious.
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KingdomRose
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No it is not, and I guess I'm the only one here (besides "Jehovah's Witness") who believes that it is not.
I thought Mickiel agreed with me, but he keeps beating a dead horse, like he doesn't know just what he believes.:deadhorse:
KingdomRose
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Horse-feathers! Demons were NOT created to be demons. Every intelligent being that God made was given the privilege of FREE WILL. Certain angels that had been good decided to leave heaven and come down to Earth to have sex with human women. When they chose to rebel, they BECAME demons.
"The sons of God [angels] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose." (Genesis 6:2, NASB)
Jesus was made alive in the spirit, "in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits [the demons] now in prison, who once were disobedient...in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark." (I Peter 3:19,20, NASB)
"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into [Tartarus] and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah...with 7 others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly...." (2 Peter 2:4,5, NASB)
"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day." (Jude 6, NASB)
Fallen angels. Demons.
I can't even get Mickiel to discuss something with me that HE brought up. So much for meaningful discussions.
KingdomRose
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I think we were discussing PHYSICALLY dead.
Mickiel
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There are plenty of people posting on the thread, I am sure you can find discussions with someone.
oatmeal
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God doesn't and he made no such thing.
Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death, not eternal torment
John 3:16
All are dead because of sin.
If we choose God, get saved, Romans 10:9-10, then we have eternal life.
Mickiel
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Rom. 2:5–8
"Ps 130:3 shouldest mark—or, “take strict account” (Job 10:14; 14:16), implying a confession of the existence of sin.
who shall stand—(Ps 1:6). Standing is opposed to the guilty sinking down in fear and self-condemnation (Mal 3:2; Rev 6:15, 16). The question implies a negative, which is thus more strongly stated.
Ps 130:4. Pardon produces filial fear and love. Judgment without the hope of pardon creates fear and dislike. The sense of forgiveness, so far from producing licentiousness, produces holiness (Je 33:9; Ez 16:62, 63; 1 Pe 2:16). “There is forgiveness with thee, not that thou mayest be presumed upon, but feared.”" Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 1, p. 386). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Ro 5:8
All the antichrists agree with you (2 Pe 2:1). :BRAVO:
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As a reminder Oatmeal is number 16 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
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The saved :straight: have repented (Ac 8:22). :dizzy:
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Mickiel
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Salvation is a destiny, it was pre determined by God. In Rom. 8:29-30, " For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. More over whom he did predestinate , he also called, and whom he called he also justified, and whom he justified he glorified."
Here we can see salvation is a destiny, it is in fact a predetermined destiny. Now remember Christianity is selfish with salvation and the bible, they will try and teach that only they are predestined, because its their calling to limit salvation and exclude people from it.
Here we can see salvation is a destiny, it is in fact a predetermined destiny. Now remember Christianity is selfish with salvation and the bible, they will try and teach that only they are predestined, because its their calling to limit salvation and exclude people from it.
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