Why would God need a hell?

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serpentdove

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In Romans 5:6 the bible is clear that Christ died for the ungodly, or the unbeliever, this is WHY they are saved.

"Ro 5:6. For when we were yet without strength—that is, powerless to deliver ourselves, and so ready to perish.

in due time—at the appointed season.

Christ died for the ungodly—Three signal properties of God’s love are here given: First, “Christ died for the ungodly,” whose character, so far from meriting any interposition in their behalf, was altogether repulsive to the eye of God; second, He did this “when they were without strength”—with nothing between them and perdition but that self-originating divine compassion; third, He did this “at the due time,” when it was most fitting that it should take place (compare Ga 4:4), The two former of these properties the apostle now proceeds to illustrate." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 231). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 

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"Ro 5:6. For when we were yet without strength—that is, powerless to deliver ourselves, and so ready to perish.

in due time—at the appointed season.

Christ died for the ungodly—Three signal properties of God’s love are here given: First, “Christ died for the ungodly,” whose character, so far from meriting any interposition in their behalf, was altogether repulsive to the eye of God; second, He did this “when they were without strength”—with nothing between them and perdition but that self-originating divine compassion; third, He did this “at the due time,” when it was most fitting that it should take place (compare Ga 4:4), The two former of these properties the apostle now proceeds to illustrate." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 231). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Oh Serpy, you and your sources.
 

serpentdove

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Rom. 3:9...shame on religion for barking against unbelievers.


"Ro 3:9. are we better than they?—“do we excel them?”

No, in no wise—Better off the Jews certainly were, for having the oracles of God to teach them better; but as they were no better, that only aggravated their guilt." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 227). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 

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Heb. 9:26 Jesus is appearing at the END of the world, and look, he is putting sin AWAY, even then!


For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself [Heb. 9:26].

"“But now once in the end of the world” should read “the end of the age.” This has no reference to what some people call the end of the world. Actually, the Bible does not teach the end of the world; it does teach the end of the age.
“Hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.” Christ came, made under the Law. He appeared at the end of the Law age, and He instituted a new age, the age of grace." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Hebrews 8-13) (electronic ed., Vol. 52, p. 44). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 

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2 Pet. 3:10...God is not going to force humanity to serve him?

"2 Pe 3:10 The day of the Lord. See Introduction to Joel: Historical and Theological Themes; see note on 1 Thess. 5:2. “The Day of the Lord” is a technical term pointing to the special interventions of God in human history for judgment. It ultimately refers to the future time of judgment whereby God judges the wicked on earth and ends this world system in its present form. The OT prophets saw the final Day of the Lord as unequaled darkness and damnation, a day when the Lord would act in a climactic way to vindicate His name, destroy His enemies, reveal His glory, establish His kingdom, and destroy the world (cf. Is. 2:10–21; 13:6–22; Ezek. 18:30; Joel 1, 2; Amos 5; Obad. 15; Zech. 14; Mal. 4; 2 Thess. 1:7; 2:2). It occurs at the time of the tribulation on earth (Rev. 6:17), and again 1,000 years later at the end of the millennial kingdom before the creation of the new heavens and new earth (v. 13; Rev. 20:1–21:1). as a thief in the night. The Day of the Lord will have a surprise arrival, sudden, unexpected, and disastrous to the unprepared (see notes on 1 Thess. 5:2)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1959). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
 

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Look at Romans 5:10 with me, " For when we were enemies , we were " Reconciled" to God by the death of his Son, much MORE, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life!" Amen, here again the Christians cannot stop the salvation of unbelievers, they cannot put any human in their hell.

The favorite way for Christians to condemn others, is by saying its no hope for those who " Reject" Christ. They don't know what reconciliation is. To reconcile means " To Cause" a person to accept, they are moved to accept. They are pushed in the right way; praise God, salvation will not pass over sinners.
 

ok doser

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Look at Romans 5...

yes, let's:

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

 

Mickiel

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Every reason a Christian would condemn you, Christ died for you and that reason.

If a Christian would condemn you because you rejected Christ, while you rejected Christ, he still died for you.

Romans 5:8 " God commanded his love toward us, in that while we were sinners , Christ died for us." Christianity cannot take this away from you, your future was made for God, inspite of your rejection. While your rejecting Jesus, he died for you. In the midst of your unbelief, Jesus has you covered.
 

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We believers...

I am not Christian.
2 Pe 2:1

...[R]eally don't know God, we just like to think we do. Job 36:26

Phil 3:10

"Jb 36:26. (Job 37:13). God’s greatness in heaven and earth: a reason why Job should bow under His afflicting hand.

know him not—only in part (Job 36:25; 1 Co 13:12)." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 1, p. 339). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

[Rev. 12:9]
:yawn: Ad infinitum (Repetition) Eph 4:14

 

ok doser

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Every reason a Christian would condemn you, Christ died for you and that reason.

If a Christian would condemn you because you rejected Christ, while you rejected Christ, he still died for you.

Romans 5:8 " God commanded his love toward us, in that while we were sinners , Christ died for us." Christianity cannot take this away from you, your future was made for God, inspite of your rejection. While your rejecting Jesus, he died for you. In the midst of your unbelief, Jesus has you covered.



what part of "justified by faith" don't you understand?
 

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Romans 8:29-30...[H]e predestinated all humans to belong to Christ."
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified [Rom. 8:29–30].


"“For” refers back to verse 28 to remind us that he is not talking about anybody being elected to be lost, but he is speaking of “the called,” the predestined ones. Predestination never has any reference to the lost. You will never find it used in connection with them. If you ever hear someone talk about being predestined to be lost, you know he is not being scriptural.

Predestination means that, when God saves you, He is going to see you through. Whom He foreknew, He predestinated, and whom He predestinated, He called, and whom He called, He justified, and whom He justified, He glorified. In other words, this amazing section is on sanctification—yet, Paul does not even mention being sanctified. Why? Because sanctification is the work of God in the heart and life of the believer. This is God’s eternal purpose. It just simply means this: When the Lord—who is the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, the Good Shepherd of the Sheep, and Chief Shepherd of the Sheep—starts out with one hundred sheep, He’s going to come home with one hundred sheep; He will not lose one of them. You may remember that our Lord gave a parable about this, recorded in Luke 15. There was a shepherd, a good shepherd, who represents the Lord Jesus. One little old sheep got lost, got away. You would think He might say, “Well, let him go. We’ve got ninety–nine of them safe in the fold. That’s a good percentage.” Anyone raising sheep knows that if you get to market with a little over fifty percent of those that are born, you’re doing well. But this is an unusual shepherd. He is not satisfied with ninety–nine. If He justifies one hundred sheep, He’s going to glorify one hundred sheep. I’ll make this rather personal. Someday He will be counting them in—“One, two, three, four, five … ninety–seven, ninety–eight, ninety–nine—where in the world is Vernon McGee? Well, it looks like he didn’t make it. We’ll let him go because a great many people didn’t think he was going to make it anyway.” My friend, thank God He won’t let him go. That Shepherd is going after him. The doctrine of election means that the Lord will be coming home with one hundred sheep! This is not a frightful doctrine; it is a wonderful doctrine. It means that Vernon McGee’s going to be there; and it means you are going to be there, my friend, if you have trusted Christ. This is a most comforting doctrine in these uncertain days in which we live." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Epistles (Romans 1-8) (electronic ed., Vol. 42, pp. 160–161). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 

Mickiel

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God has the whole world covered, because he loves the whole world; God is not partial, the Christian way of understanding salvation is partial. God wants all of us! And he gets what he wants. While were in Romans 5, look at verse 18, " Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ALL men unto the justification of life."

All men, that means everybody, are now justified to have eternal life with God FREE! THAT IS THE GOSPEL! Not this limited stuff Christianity and religion are teaching. EVERYBODY makes it! We ALL are justified before God!

I praise the Great God that he has done this; I never liked the Christian teaching of eternal hell, and the way they imply that most humans are doomed. That never seemed to match God to me.
 

ok doser

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God has the whole world covered, because he loves the whole world; God is not partial, the Christian way of understanding salvation is partial. God wants all of us! And he gets what he wants. While were in Romans 5, look at verse 18, " Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ALL men unto the justification of life."


"the free gift"


which many will refuse
 

Mickiel

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Lets look at more hope for unbelievers and those who reject God. In 1 John 2:2 " And he is the propitiation for our sins, ( our here is believers), and not OURS ONLY, but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. Obvious universal salvation.
 
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