Why No One Has Been Predestinated

theophilus

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patrick jane said:
So you're calvinist ?
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1 Cor. 1:10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

I hold to the Doctrines of Grace taught in the Word.

I lean heavily on MacArthur, Sproul and Spurgeon for in-depth study and meditation.

I choose my leisure reading from MacArthur's bibliographies.

Essentially, my theology has been birthed in my Bible and the Reformation.

That's my final answer.

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Robert Pate

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theophilus said:
1 Cor. 1:10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

I hold to the Doctrines of Grace taught in the Word.

I lean heavily on MacArthur, Sproul and Spurgeon for in-depth study and meditation.

I choose my leisure reading from MacArthur's bibliographies.

Essentially, my theology has been birthed in my Bible and the Reformation.

That's my final answer.

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You should be leaning on what the Bible says and not on what men say.
 
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Robert Pate

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theophilus said:
Including you?

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I don't know what hyper-Calvinist was really mean to you but they need to be kicked in their head.
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All religions are a diversion away from Christ and his Gospel. All religions have one thing in common they are all conceived in the minds of men. This why Jesus said, "Beware of Men" Matthew 10:17.
 
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Robert Pate said:
All religions are a diversion away from Christ and his Gospel. All religions have one thing in common they are all conceived in the minds of men. This why Jesus said, "Beware of Men" Matthew 10:17.
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James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
 
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Robert Pate's Definition of Predestination

Robert Pate's Definition of Predestination

Robert Pate said:
The words predestinate or predestinated are not associated with anyones salvation.
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Robert has his very own version of predestination:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Your-Savior&p=4849389&viewfull=1#post4849389

Robert may deny predestination as we Reformed understand it to be, but in his denial, he crafts the typical version of predestination of the anti-Reformed.

In Robert's view, predestination implies that God chose certain qualities or properties of persons—faith, repentance, holiness, and perseverance—with a purpose of admitting to heaven all those, whoever they might be, that should possess or exhibit these qualities or properties, and to consign to punishment all those who, after being favored with suitable opportunities, who fail to exhibit these personal qualities.

Note carefully here what Robert believes. That it is man who is responsible for his own salvation, which is why Robert makes the abominable claim:
Robert Pate said:
You and you alone are responsible for your sins. And you and you alone are responsible for your salvation.
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In other words, the person who chooses wisely, is granted admittance to the Kingdom. The person who does not, is consigned to eternal punishment. No matter how much Robert's rhetorical bravado denies predestination as a Scriptural concept, he cannot escape the plain fact that he has actually crafted a version of predestination that has no warrant from Scripture.

In effect, Robert claims that God declares those that exhibit personal qualities such as faith and repentance will be saved. Those that do not choose wisely will be damned. That's predestination folks, albeit Robert's and many others' personal version of predestination.

It would be better that Robert would plainly state what he believes, that predestination means the above, rather than claiming there is no such thing as predestination, despite the teachings of Scripture.

What God does for us:

- draws people to Himself (John 6:44,65);
- creates a clean heart (Psalm 51:10);
- appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48);
- works faith in the believer (John 6:28-29);
- chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph. 1:4);
- chooses us for salvation (2 Thes. 2:13-14);
- grants the act of believing (Phil. 1:29);
- grants repentance (2 Tim. 2:24-26);
- calls according to His purpose (2 Tim. 1:9);
- causes us to be born again (1 Pet. 1:3);
- predestines us to salvation (Rom. 8:29-30);
- predestines us to adoption (Eph. 1:5);
- predestines us according to His purpose (Eph. 1:11); and
- makes us born again not by our will but by His will (John 1:12-13).

Beloved, sadly Robert will have none of the above, for he sees himself as the captain of his own destiny, conducting himself in communion with his Maker as follows:

“Lord, I thank thee that I am not like these poor, presumptuous Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free will; I was born with a power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace as I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know that thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves… it was not thy grace that made us differ… I made use of what was given me, and others did not—that is the difference between me and them.”​

Src: Spurgeon, Sermon on John 5:40 “Free Will a Slave” The New Park Street Pulpit, 1855- 1856, Volumes I & II (Pilgrim 1975), 395-402.​

That anyone reading the above cannot see how such a strange fire lifted up to God is but a putrid odor to God's nostrils escapes me. Robert needs to be plucked from the fire (Zechariah 3:2), and all that would agree with the above should not let his terrible views go unchallenged each and every time he proffers them. We of a more mature faith owe it to our weaker brothers and sisters, that may be given cause to stumble from Robert's wayward views, to denounce his views wherever he makes them known.

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fishrovmen

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We of a more mature faith owe it to our weaker brothers and sisters, that may be given cause to stumble from Robert's wayward views, to denounce his views wherever he makes them known.

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I would need to quit my job and monitor TOL almost around the clock to counter his redundant, contradictory wavering, illogical and unbiblical threads and posts.
 
theophilus

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Robert has his very own version of predestination:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Your-Savior&p=4849389&viewfull=1#post4849389

Robert may deny predestination as we Reformed understand it to be, but in his denial, he crafts the typical version of predestination of the anti-Reformed.

In Robert's view, predestination implies that God chose certain qualities or properties of persons—faith, repentance, holiness, and perseverance—with a purpose of admitting to heaven all those, whoever they might be, that should possess or exhibit these qualities or properties, and to consign to punishment all those who, after being favored with suitable opportunities, who fail to exhibit these personal qualities.

Note carefully here what Robert believes. That it is man who is responsible for his own salvation, which is why Robert makes the abominable claim:



In other words, the person who chooses wisely, is granted admittance to the Kingdom. The person who does not, is consigned to eternal punishment. No matter how much Robert's rhetorical bravado denies predestination as a Scriptural concept, he cannot escape the plain fact that he has actually crafted a version of predestination that has no warrant from Scripture.

In effect, Robert claims that God declares those that exhibit personal qualities such as faith and repentance will be saved. Those that do not choose wisely will be damned. That's predestination folks, albeit Robert's and many others' personal version of predestination.

It would be better that Robert would plainly state what he believes, that predestination means the above, rather than claiming there is no such thing as predestination, despite the teachings of Scripture.

What God does for us:

- draws people to Himself (John 6:44,65);
- creates a clean heart (Psalm 51:10);
- appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48);
- works faith in the believer (John 6:28-29);
- chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph. 1:4);
- chooses us for salvation (2 Thes. 2:13-14);
- grants the act of believing (Phil. 1:29);
- grants repentance (2 Tim. 2:24-26);
- calls according to His purpose (2 Tim. 1:9);
- causes us to be born again (1 Pet. 1:3);
- predestines us to salvation (Rom. 8:29-30);
- predestines us to adoption (Eph. 1:5);
- predestines us according to His purpose (Eph. 1:11); and
- makes us born again not by our will but by His will (John 1:12-13).

Beloved, sadly Robert will have none of the above, for he sees himself as the captain of his own destiny, conducting himself in communion with His Maker as follows:

“Lord, I thank thee that I am not like these poor, presumptuous Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free will; I was born with a power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace as I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know that thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves… it was not thy grace that made us differ… I made use of what was given me, and others did not—that is the difference between me and them.”​

Src: Spurgeon, Sermon on John 5:40 “Free Will a Slave” The New Park Street Pulpit, 1855- 1856, Volumes I & II (Pilgrim 1975), 395-402.​

That anyone reading the above cannot see how such a strange fire lifted up to God is but a putrid odor to God's nostrils escapes me. Robert needs to be plucked from the fire (Zechariah 3:2), and all that would agree with the above should not let his terrible views go unchallenged each and every time he proffers them. We of a more mature faith owe it to our weaker brothers and sisters, that may be given cause to stumble from Robert's wayward views, to denounce his views wherever he makes them known.

AMR
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Jude 17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

We're going to need some of these:

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fishrovmen

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theophilus said:
Jude 17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23 save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

We're going to need some of these:

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That is both sad and funny. But it seems like Pate doesn't mind the heat.
 
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fishrovmen said:
I would need to quit my job and monitor TOL almost around the clock to counter his redundant, contradictory wavering, illogical and unbiblical threads and posts.
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I may seem as such, given he has started over 270 threads, all basically the same. If you are so provoked, just weigh in one time early in his newly started threads to at least set the Scriptural record straight for those who happen to wander into one of Robert's new blog entries.

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To embrace Calvinism is to embrace the doctrine of demons.

To be a Calvinist you must believe that God is unjust. To believe and teach that God predestinates people to hell before they are ever born is blasphemy against God, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

It is not possible to have saving faith and confidence in a God that would do such a terrible thing. How can you believe that God would do that?

We are all sinners without works. We are all born after Adam. It is not any ones fault that they are a sinner. We are all born into sin, Psalm 51:5. To say that God is justified in condemning sinners to hell is another Calvinist lie. If anyone goes to hell it will not be because they are sinners, it will be because they don't have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ.

Calvinist cannot believe the Gospel, nor do they have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. Calvinism is the way that seems right unto a man, but leads to destruction, Proverbs 16:25.
 
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