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Gary K

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Who is in charge of the electing Baltimore representatives?

And the mother made no attempt to contact any teacher. The teachers likely have over 100 students. The parent has a single son.

The school gave an opportunity for him to graduate. He did not take that opportunity.

A better question is why did the mother allow him to miss or be late to 272 classes.

The mother chose to be a single mother and she should take responsibility for her actions.

Why is the child not doing the cooking and housework?

I truly doubt she was working 3 jobs or working long hours. Even so, she chose to raise a child by herself.

No one complains if the grades come out or the way parents expect them to. There are reasons why employers are testing graduates nowadays. The problem is political and has to be solved politically. No one wants to wake up and smell the poop.

Stupid ideas come from the most literate and educated people sometimes - Germany WWII.

I will agree that most have been spoon-fed their education.

So are you interested in changing things for your own local community or were you just going to rant about how teachers are evil?
Really? Then you didn't even read the article.

France says she has three children and works three jobs, and didn't realize her son was failing until February. Even though he was failing classes, the school continued to promote him; after failing Spanish I and Algebra I, for example, the school still allowed him to take Spanish II and Algebra II.

So, as far as you're concerned the only way a woman could end up single with three kids is by her own choice. My wife ended up single with two kids before I married her because her husband abandoned them so he could sleep with whoever he wanted to and drink like a fish without having to listen to his wife ask him why he was behaving that way. He's since gone through 4 more wives and who knows how many kids. I haven't kept track but my wife tells me he's been married 5 times since their divorce.

You've got to be the most insulated person I've ever talked to. What happened to my wife is a very common occurrence in our nation so I have no problem believing the mother. My stepdaughter was taken to an abortion clinic in another state, without our permission, by her boyfriend and when they came back he just dropped her off on the sidewalk and drove away. You have a very naive position on what our society is like and how much evil goes on.

To blame the victim is to twice victimize that person. In your case it's thrice victimizing the victim: 1. the children's father victimized both her and the kids. 2. The school victimized her and her kids. 3. You victimize her for blaming the entire situation on her with no evidence.
 

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No argument on that one. However, should be obligated to find another husband to fit in with the traditional, patriarchal paradigm instead of bringing up her child by herself?
Again you fixate on "traditional/patriarchal".

Do you think that a child is better off without a father? I don't.
Do you think that a parent (mother or father) is better off raising a child alone? I don't.
 

Arthur Brain

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Again you fixate on "traditional/patriarchal".

Do you think that a child is better off without a father? I don't.
Do you think that a parent (mother or father) is better off raising a child alone? I don't.
Er, you're the one who jumped in on it with a response to JR and touted it as the ideal, remember?

As such, it would have been more than frowned upon for women to be pursuing a career at all let alone to decide not to get married or have children. Patriarchy is utterly outdated outside of draconian thinking.

Depends on whether the father is capable of raising a child, stepfather even. Same applies to mothers and stepmothers.
I know a few who do a great job of raising their children without a partner, male and female so it's not as though the traditional paradigm is the only healthy way to raise children. To reiterate from earlier, that in no way means that I don't support marriage.
 

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As such, it would have been more than frowned upon for women to be pursuing a career at all let alone not to decide to get married and have children.
What's God's standard in these situations? Does God force women to marry?
Patriarchy is utterly outdated outside of draconian thinking.
Funny way to put that. Do you dislike the male responsibilities in a marriage
Depends on whether the father is capable of raising a child, stepfather even.
Capable is different than better or best.
I know a few who do a great job of raising their children without a partner, male and female so it's not as though the traditional paradigm is the only healthy way to raise children.
Wonderful. I never said that it was "the only healthy way" to raise children.
To reiterate from earlier, that in no way means that I don't support marriage.
Wonderful.
 

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Depends. Plenty single mothers have support from family and friends so it doesn't necessarily have to come in the form of a husband or partner. If the woman wants that then absolutely fine, nobody with any sensible opinion would criticize her for that. However, women should not be obliged to fulfil some patriarchal, traditional ideal.

I said it's better for a woman and for her children to have a husband and father to support them. That is a factual statement that your comment does nothing to address.
 

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I asked them how they graduated from high school with no knowledge of the English language. I just repeated their answer here.

No. You said: "And what did this community college do? They passed them on again even though they couldn't do grade school level work."

How do you know all these students were passed on? You wouldn't been with all of them in a class by the time grades were assigned, the semester would've been over, even if you encountered a few of them in another class the next semester.

I've attended both community college and state university, so I know how it works. You're making assumptions about an entire classroom of students and you don't really know how their grades turned out, do you?
 

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Nope. Women aren't "sinning" if they don't get married and have children and nor should they be expected to just because some pompous patriarchs find anything else 'unseemly'.

They ARE sinning if they have sex outside of marriage.
 

Arthur Brain

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What's God's standard in these situations? Does God force women to marry?

Funny way to put that. Do you dislike the male responsibilities in a marriage

Capable is different than better or best.

Wonderful. I never said that it was "the only healthy way" to raise children.

Wonderful.
No and I'm not real interested in your version of what "God's standard" is given that you seem to think that traditional patriarchy is the ideal.

That "ideal" is steeped in misogyny and denied women the same rights as men to put it simplistically and thankfully done away with, at least in the West. I don't dislike responsibility in a relationship at all.

Wonderful.
 

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No and I'm not real interested in your version of what "God's standard" is given that you seem to think that traditional patriarchy is the ideal.
I'm not interest in "my version" of what "God's standards" is either. But I am interested in God's standard.
No idea what you even mean by "the traditional patriarchy".
That "ideal" is steeped in misogyny and denied women the same rights as men to put it simplistically and thankfully done away with, at least in the West.
Utter nonsense, unless you think that "God's standard" includes misogyny.
I don't dislike responsibility in a relationship at all.
Excellent.
Wonderful.
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Really? Then you didn't even read the article.
I tend not to believe people when they say they have three jobs. 8 x 3 = 24 = the number of hours in a day.
My wife ended up single with two kids before I married her because her husband abandoned them so he could sleep with whoever he wanted to and drink like a fish without having to listen to his wife ask him why he was behaving that way. He's since gone through 4 more wives and who knows how many kids.
So, you're the Beta she married to help raise her children. I don't associate with women who chose poorly and want me to pick up the pieces. Some women tend to be attracted to a certain type of man who sleeps around. Yes, I do blame the women for making a poor choice of spouse.

If a woman is widowed, that's one thing. But a woman who is left by her whatever either made a poor choice or behaved so badly, she drove the man away. It doesn't look good for her in either case. However, if she recognizes that she made a mistake, I would overlook it.
He's since gone through 4 more wives and who knows how many kids. I haven't kept track but my wife tells me he's been married 5 times since their divorce.
Too late now, but her talking about her former husband is a warning sign to stay away.
What happened to my wife is a very common occurrence in our nation so I have no problem believing the mother.
Yes, I believe a lot of women do not take responsibility for their choices in life.
My stepdaughter was taken to an abortion clinic in another state, without our permission, by her boyfriend and when they came back he just dropped her off on the sidewalk and drove away.
Like mother, like daughter. But you likely came too late in the game to have an influence over her. The sooner you tell her that her decision to choose that lousy boyfriend caused her the misery she is in, the sooner she might be saved.
You have a very naive position on what our society is like and how much evil goes on.
The stories you've shared are pleasant compared to what I've seen.
To blame the victim is to twice victimize that person.
Your wife is not a victim. She chose her first husband and also chose to have children with him. She chose a husband who would leave her. She needs to take responsibility for her choices.

Your daughter chose a boyfriend. And she chose to have sex with him and get pregnant by him. Your wife chose not to supervise her daughter and participate in her life. They are not victims.

Victims don't choose their fate.

You tell me that I'm naive, yet your step daughter seems to think that everyone is good and evil doesn't exist. You can't see that it is possible your step daughter is not Christian. You can't see that it is possible your wife is using you. I know plenty about evil.
your case it's thrice victimizing the victim: 1. the children's father victimized both her and the kids.
Don't fall for the left's victim culture. I'm not sure what happened between the father and the mother, but I'm pretty sure it was consensual and relatively sure it was outside of marriage. Both the father and the mother share responsibility for their bad choice. The situation may not be optimal for the child, but If I had the choice between this and being born in North Korea, I'd choose the former. So, I don't see how he was victimized by his birth.

Low birth does not make you a victim.
2. The school victimized her and her kids.
This is ludicrous. The school was free and provided at a cost which she'll never repay in taxes unless she wins the lottery. She was allowed to vote and choose the representatives who would run the school for her free of charge. She was allowed to protest at the school. She was allowed to contact the school and her teachers. She was allowed to demand all information about her son. Two things.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Receiving a "lousy" gift does not make you a victim.

3. You victimize her for blaming the entire situation on her with no evidence.
You sound like the NYT - if someone criticizing you, you're a victim.

Being criticized does not make you a victim.

Hey, your step-daughter can still become a Christian or return to Christ. She won't be able to do so if like Adam, she blames her partner. She chose her boyfriend, she chose to have sex, she chose to get an abortion. She needs to own it.
 

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I'm not interest in "my version" of what "God's standards" is either. But I am interest in God's standard.
No idea what you even mean by "the traditional patriarchy".

Utter nonsense, unless you think that "God's standard" includes misogyny.

Excellent.

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Oh please, where it comes to "God's standard" then that can mean all sorts of things to different people on a myriad issues and you're no exception. For example, if you don't know what traditional patriarchy is then why on earth did you respond with this and say it was God's way?


My response to JR was after he said the woman "should find a man to marry" which fits right into that draconian ideal. If you can't see the misogyny inherent in religious patriarchy then get some glasses.
 

Hilltrot

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Oh please, where it comes to "God's standard" then that can mean all sorts of things to different people on a myriad issues and you're no exception. For example, if you don't know what traditional patriarchy is then why on earth did you respond with this and say it was God's way?


My response to JR was after he said the woman "should find a man to marry" which fits right into that draconian ideal. If you can't see the misogyny inherent in religious patriarchy then get some glasses.
 

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Oh please, where it comes to "God's standard" then that can mean all sorts of things to different people on a myriad issues and you're no exception. For example, if you don't know what traditional patriarchy is then why on earth did you respond with this and say it was God's way?


My response to JR was after he said the woman "should find a man to marry" which fits right into that draconian ideal. If you can't see the misogyny inherent in religious patriarchy then get some glasses.

What I said was that a woman should find a man to marry to take care of her and her children. That automatically assumes she has children.

Nowhere have I said that "all women should marry whether they have children or not.'
 

Arthur Brain

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What I said was that a woman should find a man to marry to take care of her and her children. That automatically assumes she has children.

Nowhere have I said that "all women should marry whether they have children or not.'
Okay, noted. If a single mother wants to do that then absolutely fine, just as much as if she doesn't.
 

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Okay, noted. If a single mother wants to do that then absolutely fine, just as much as if she doesn't.

A woman should take responsibility for caring for her children. Putting her children into the care of other people so she can work is not a responsible thing to do. Yes, it may work for many, but it's not the best solution.

The best solution is for her to find a man to marry, or to marry the one who impregnated her (except in the case of rape, where the rapist should be executed, and the child protected).
 

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A woman should take responsibility for caring for her children. Putting her children into the care of other people so she can work is not a responsible thing to do. Yes, it may work for many, but it's not the best solution.

The best solution is for her to find a man to marry, or to marry the one who impregnated her (except in the case of rape, where the rapist should be executed, and the child protected).
Single mother households in the UK is about 15%, much better than in the US, where the rate is 23%

 

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Single mother households in the UK is about 15%, much better than in the US, where the rate is 23%

UK black population 3%
US black population 13%

2016 Black single parent homes 6,281,000 66%
2016 White single parent homes 8,766,000 24%

2019 UK Black single parent homes 24%
2019 US White single parent homes 10%
 
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