"WHOSOEVER That Calls Upon the Name of the Lord Shall be Saved" Romans 10:13

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Samie

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Robert Pate said:
Problem is that in order to obey Jesus you would have to be without sin.

"Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" Are you perfect? If not then you are a sinner.
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And we have been MADE perfect AFTER we have been made holy:

Hebrews 10:10, 14 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 14 because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
 
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Samie said:
And we have been MADE perfect AFTER we have been made holy:

Hebrews 10:10, 14 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 14 because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
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Spiritually, we are perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Physically, we are the chief of simmers, 1 Timothy 1:15.
 
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Robert Pate said:
The will of the Father is that you believe on his Son Jesus Christ.
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But you said there are no rules so people are free to believe or not believe as they choose.

A person doesn't have to believe to call the Lord's name. In fact there are many names by which people call on the Lord. You may have your favorite and someone else is free to have their favorite. You must eat at Outback a lot, No Rules, etc.

I'm glad there are rules for football.
 
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Robert Pate said:
Then why do they disagree with Romans 4:4, 5?
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" Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. "

They do agree with this passage. As also " by grace are ye saved through faith " Catholics don't believe God owes anybody anything, it's all grace.

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Robert Pate said:
Catholics believe that Jesus is there example. They are busy, busy, busy, trying to be like him.

We can't be like him because we are sinners. But we can trust in him to save us.
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We cannot be like Jesus in the ultimate sense because He is God...we are not.

But we can imitate Him (Paul tells us to) in that we can forgive others, we can do good and avoid evil, we can care for the poor, feed the hungry, etc.

We just cannot do those things perfectly like He did. But we can do them at some level.

Peace.

1 Corinthians 11:1

Matthew 5:48

Matthew 6:14-15
 
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The word "whosoever" means all, everyone, anyone. (Funk and Wagnalls Dictionary)

If you try to say that only the "elect" are the whosoever's then the word loses its meaning. It is not possible to define the word "whosoever" to any particular person or group, it just doesn't make sense to try and do so.

The word "whosoever" appears in the Bible over 180 times. Jesus used the word "whosoever" over 80 times. Such as in John 3:16, where he said, "That WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The Bible plainly teaches that salvation is for "whosoever" that believes in Jesus. To try and change that is to deceive yourself into believing a lie.
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Promoting salvation by works, by what a sinner does!
 
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Robert Pate said:
Problem is that in order to obey Jesus you would have to be without sin.

"Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" Are you perfect? If not then you are a sinner.
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We are to bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
We are to walk in newness of life.
We are to put on the new man.
We are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.
We are to have the mind of Christ.
We are to obey the Scriptures.

I am perfect in position. As a Christian I am to strive to live up to this position. That is part of obedience.

How about you?
 
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Dialogos said:
Right,

Incidentally there isn't a huge Calvinistic movement out there trying to prove that those who call on the Lord won't be saved.
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He doesn't really desire all men to be saved, as Paul declared. In the mind of the "reformed" anyway.
 
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Nick M said:
He doesn't really desire all men to be saved, as Paul declared. In the mind of the "reformed" anyway.
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The all men My God desires to be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth, He fulfills His desire.Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
 
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The lost unregenerated unbeliever can't call upon the name of the lord, since he doesn't know the name of the lord. He can't believe on the lord, since Faith pleases God Heb 11:6, yet them in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8
 
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beloved57 said:
The lost unregenerated unbeliever can't call upon the name of the lord, since he doesn't know the name of the lord. He can't believe on the lord, since Faith pleases God Heb 11:6, yet them in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8
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As usual the bible refutes you.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

All, anyone, everyone, that wants to be saved can call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.

On the day of Pentecost over 8,000 Jews, some who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, heard the Gospel and believed in Jesus. Acts 2:41, Acts 4:4.
 
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Robert Pate said:
As usual the bible refutes you.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

All, anyone, everyone, that wants to be saved can call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.

On the day of Pentecost over 8,000 Jews, some who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, heard the Gospel and believed in Jesus. Acts 2:41, Acts 4:4.
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The lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

So how could a lost person call on the name of the lord? It certainly is not Gospel related!
 
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beloved57 said:
The lost can't believe the Gospel because it is hidden to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

So how could a lost person call on the name of the lord? It certainly is not Gospel related!
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You are determined to make God unjust.

I hope that I am there in the judgment when you accuse God of being unjust. It should be very interesting.
 
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Robert Pate said:
Its hidden from them because they think that Calvinism is the Gospel.
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You preach a false freewill gospel by works a person does to get themselves saved.

Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The True Gospel of God's Grace reveals to the Saved already 2 Tim. 1:9 that they have the Righteousness of God charged to them Rom. 5:19; Rom. 4:7-8;
a revelation to those who are specifically Believing by the Power of God Eph. 3:7!
 
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