Who Justifieth the Ungodly

beloved57

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Justification of Life for who ? cont

Now here Paul is teaching by Divine Inspiration how and when sin entered into the world , and by that states Death passed upon all men Rom 5:12 ! Thats because, before they had any being, in him or in his loins all his seed had with him sinned even before they had being or existence !

Now this same biblical principle is taught when the writer of Hebrews stated that Levi paid tithes in Abraham because he was yet in his loins Heb 7:9-10

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Many don't know it but Christ is the Everlasting Father of His Seed Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Now the words payed tithes in Vs 9 is in the indicative mood and perfect tense, The indicative mood means:

a statement of fact or an actual occurrence from the writer's or speaker's perspective

And so those in Adam sinned in him when he sinned and were constituted sinners, before they had a physical being or existence, and before they acted sin from their own sin nature, because of God's Sovereign prerogative of Imputation !

So in Christ, the Elect Seed in Him, those chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, were constituted Righteous or received Justification of Life, by His Obedience or by His Righteousness of One Rom 5:18, it also being imputed to them by God's Sovereign prerogative before they had any being or existence, and before they did any act of obedience, before they believed !

So to reject that those Christ died for have received Justification of Life before they existed or believed, you must reject the entire biblical testimony of Rom 5 !
 
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Nanja

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beloved
Many don't know it but Christ is the Everlasting Father of His Seed Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name

shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


O Yes! Jesus Christ is Jehovah, The Eternal God and Saviour of His People!

Mat. 1:21-23 KJV And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be
fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child,
and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us

.

Isaiah 62:12 LITV And they shall call them, The Holy People, the Redeemed of Jehovah.
And to you it shall be called, Sought Out, A City Not Forsaken.

Isaiah 43:11 LITV I, I am Jehovah; and there is no Savior besides Me.

Isaiah 45:15 LITV Truly, You are a God who hides Himself, O God of Israel, the Savior.

Isaiah 48:17 LITV So says Jehovah, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel,
I am Jehovah your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads you in the way you should go.

Isaiah 41:4 LITV Who has planned and done it, calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I Jehovah am the first and the last; I am He.

Rev. 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


beloved
So in Christ, the Elect Seed in Him, those chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, were constituted

Righteous or received Justification of Life, by His Obedience or by His Righteousness of One Rom 5:18, it also

being imputed to them by God's Sovereign prerogative before they had any being or existence, and before they did

any act of obedience, before they believed !

Amen!

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beloved57

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beloved



O Yes! Jesus Christ is Jehovah, The Eternal God and Saviour of His People!

Mat. 1:21-23 KJV And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be
fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child,
and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us

.

Isaiah 62:12 LITV And they shall call them, The Holy People, the Redeemed of Jehovah.
And to you it shall be called, Sought Out, A City Not Forsaken.

Isaiah 43:11 LITV I, I am Jehovah; and there is no Savior besides Me.

Isaiah 45:15 LITV Truly, You are a God who hides Himself, O God of Israel, the Savior.

Isaiah 48:17 LITV So says Jehovah, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel,
I am Jehovah your God, who teaches you to profit, who leads you in the way you should go.

Isaiah 41:4 LITV Who has planned and done it, calling forth the generations from the beginning?
I Jehovah am the first and the last; I am He.

Rev. 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


beloved


Amen!

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Those things cannot be received by the natural man !
 

beloved57

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Why Faith also Justifies !

We are said to be Justified by Faith in that, not because Faith effects ones Justification, but because it is effected /generated into the ones already yet Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9,19 and its the result of the Sanctifying Work and Power of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 
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Nanja

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We are said to be Justified by Faith in that, not because Faith effects ones Justification, but because it is effected /generated into the ones already yet Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9,19 and its the result of the Sanctifying Work and Power of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


Amen! The Just (Justified) shall live by Faith Rom. 1:17 KJV.
And as they grow in Grace 2 Peter 3:18 KJV, their Faith in Him grows much also (from faith to faith):
It's a revealing to them of who they are in Christ, as they grow in the knowledge of Him.
And many blessings follow!

1 John 5:20 KJV And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God, and eternal life.

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beloved57

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Yes, our progressive Sanctification is that we grow in understanding just how complete and perfect it is because of His offering Heb 10:10-14 !

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beloved57

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More on Justification before Faith !

The Justification that all men have who Christ died for, and that without them doing anything, they have it even while they are His Enemies Rom 5:10, it consists in forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, which does correlate with non imputation of sin Rom 4:7-8, whereby the sins forgiven are never charged to their account against them, it also denotes God accepting them into His Divine Favor as being Just, Righteous, and accepts them as if they have never sinned; and again this is before they believe or obey the Gospel !
 
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Nanja

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The Justification that all men have who Christ died for, and that without them doing anything, they have it even while they are His Enemies Rom 5:10, it consists in forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, which does correlate with non imputation of sin Rom 4:7-8, whereby the sins forgiven are never charged to their account against them, it also denotes God accepting them into His Divine Favor as being Just, Righteous, and accepts them as if they have never sinned; and again this is before they believe or obey the Gospel !


Amen! They are the ones given to Christ by the Father John 6:37 KJV,
and have been made Righteous passively, before the foundation of the world 2 Tim. 1:9 KJV
through the work of Christ Jesus their Surety and Covenant Head.

Col. 1:12-14 KJV Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us
from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins

Christ is the Everlasting Father of His Seed!

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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beloved57

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Amen! They are the ones given to Christ by the Father John 6:37 KJV,
and have been made Righteous passively, before the foundation of the world 2 Tim. 1:9 KJV
through the work of Christ Jesus their Surety and Covenant Head.

Col. 1:12-14 KJV Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us
from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins

Christ is the Everlasting Father of His Seed!

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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Amen, God has blessed you to believe and receive these truths !

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Nanja

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Amen, God has blessed you to believe and receive these truths !

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He has; and you also!

"I will praise thee, O LORD, with my whole heart; I will shew forth all thy marvellous works." Psalm 9:1 KJV

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beloved57

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Everyone Christ died for is by His death/blood alone Justified in the sight of God Rom 5:9,19 even though they are not yet Justified by Faith. You see one whom Christ died for does not need to be Justified by Faith in order to be Justified before God or in His sight, for to be Justified by faith is only to benefit the Justifed one in knowing of his or her Justification before God, for it is only a necessary consequence of having been Justified before God by the sole obedience of Christ Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Here made Righteous and Justification are the same !
 

beloved57

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The time of their Justification before God ?

What is, for those Christ died for, what is the time of their Justification before God ?

For those Christ died for, they are Justified before God, when God see's and accepts Christ's blood for the full satisfaction of all their sins against His Law and Justice; for that ransom blood shed for them did set them free from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13 and did purge them from al guilt of their sins Heb 1:3 and presents them for Christ's blood sake, blameless, unreprovable in His sight Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

And these results are are solely done by HIMSELF Heb 1:3, through the body of His Flesh,

No other causes of collaboration were needed or used to bring about these blessed and merciful results !
 
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beloved57

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The time of their Justification before God ? 2

Before those Christ died for ever believe a thing, and while they are by nature children of wrath Eph 2:3 Yet in the Knowledge of God, those for whom He died were Justified before God, when within Himself He had already determined not to impute sin unto them, that it should be imputed to Christ and that He should die for their sins, and so it is revealed in the word of reconciliation 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ [In the Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11], reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

By this, God in His Mind had determined ages and ages ago, from everlasting, to inflict Eternal Vengeance and Justice for their sins on Christ, but not only that, He correlatively determined to accept them as Righteous, having bestowed upon them or clothed them with the Righteousness of His Son, so is the implication of 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

All these known Transactions where known and affirmed in the Mind of God from before the foundation Acts 15:18

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Ps 33:11

11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Would not these things be considered the Thoughts [intentions, purposes, designs] of His Heart ? When would have these thoughts originated in the Mind of the Eternal One ?

Isa 14:24

The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
 
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beloved57

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The time of their Justification before God ? 3


Justification is simply by the will of God; some things are so simply because its the Will of God to be so; Paul wrote at times 2 Cor 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Eph 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

2 Tim 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

And since we know that it is God who Justifieth Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Then those whom He Justifieth are so according to His Will; Now in this Will of God, it has been from before the world began, and His Will not to punish the Elect for their sins, this must be because in His Eternal Purpose in Christ, He was appointed by the Will of God to die for their sins from before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The fact that He was foreordained before the foundation, makes manifest God's Will before the foundation !

Christ according to the will of God in the Eternal Purpose was slain already for their sins Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

By His will He redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13 and from its punishment.

By this decretive will alone, those Christ should die for are in the Mind and Will of God Justified from all punishment and wrath 1 Thess 1:10 due to their sins, beginning in adam their natural federal head;

God's absolute will not to punish them Christ in time would die for, is the essence of Him Justifying them in His Own Mind; This is True because that which was in God's Mind to secure the Elect from His Wrath, in that they were discharged from their sins and punishment due, can rightly be called Justification before God !
 
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beloved57

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Secured us from wrath !

Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Justification by the blood of Christ, has secured from Divine wrath, all for whom Christ died. This security from the wrath of God has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance, but it is solely an accomplisment of the Blood of Christ; All for He died have been delivered from the wrath to come at the day of Judgment 1 Thess 1:10

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Job 21:30

30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Rev 6:17

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11:18

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Back up in 1 Thess 1:10 it reads with the definite article" The Wrath" its the Last Day of wrath commencing Judgement Day ! All for whom Christ died has been delivered from this wrath !
 
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beloved57

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One People promised to be Justified in Christ !

Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Justification in Christ the LORD was only promised to one particular people, Israel or the Seed of Israel !

These verses all apply to the Seed of Israel !

Rom 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus [The Lord]:

Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood[The Lord], we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 8:30

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

This is the Seed of Israel. Paul calls them a Seed here Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

What Seed ? What Promise ? This Seed and Promise Isa 45:25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
 
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beloved57

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Understanding Justification by Faith !

When scripture states that believers are Justified by Faith or made Righteous by Faith, it does not mean that their act of faith/ believing made them Justified and or Righteous, or that the act itself is their Righteousness , however it doeth mean that the object of our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous. You see, God hath made Christ unto us Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

So therefore faith in its act cannot at the same time be our Righteousness Rom 4:5,9

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

In fact, The Gospel reveals or makes known our Righteousness to our Faith Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Now that Righteousness of God in Vs 17 that is revealed to Faith, is that same Righteousness of God for those of us Christ was made sin for in 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

So its an contradiction to understand Faith as an act of ours, to be reckoned as our Righteousness and or Justification, but rather as it persuades us that the object of our Faith, whom is Christ, has been made unto us Righteousness / Justification 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
 
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beloved57

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Understanding Justification by Faith ! 2

Again,

When scripture states that believers are Justified by Faith or made Righteous by Faith, it does not mean that their act of faith/ believing made them Justified and or Righteous, or that the act itself is their Righteousness , however it doeth mean that the object of our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous.

You see, if Faith be not taken to mean its object being our Righteousness instead of our act of it being our Righteousness as the antichrist followers sayeth it means, then the very grounds for contrasting Justification by Faith from Justification by our works is eliminated and comes to nought, and even Paul has contradicted himself along with the scripture, in that Faith / believing is an act of ours, and no less a work we do !

So Faith looks at the object which is our Righteousness, that being the results of the Person and Work of Christ on our behalf, having satisfied for us all of God's Law and Justice and having had His Righteousness laid to our charge , these facts being revealed in the Gospel of our Salvation Rom 1:16-17; Eph 1:13 !
 
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beloved57

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Justified freely by His Grace !

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The word freely here, the greek word dōrean:

I.freely, undeservedly,without a cause, or without a reason, or without a consideration, without an condition !

Those Christ died for are Justified freely and without any conditions on their part. Now if we say that man is required to believe [something he does] to act faith, or any other type of gospel obedience to be Justified before God, then that nullifies being Justified freely by God's Grace, on the sole condition of Christ's redemptive work. Once we admit faith or something else of any gospel obedience we do, then we have just made Justification a matter of debt owed us , and hath forfieted any claims to Justification freely by Grace, it has now become something due unto us because we met a precondition of some sort, so then it is no longer a matter of Justification freely by Grace !
 
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