Who Hates Academic Freedom?

[Kdall]

Not at all. Schools are bad because of what they do, not because of what they don't.

And what is it that you believe they do?

 

[The Barbarian]

Dialogos admits:

Scripture says that a double minded mind is unstable in all his ways.

That's you. You want to accept God your way, not his. You can't have your version and the truth.

There aren't very many things that I agree with Rickard Dawkins about but there is one. "Theistic evolutionists are deluded."

It's not surprising that a Christian-hating atheist and a YE creationist would find common cause. They are both dedicated to the idea that the way God created things is wrong.

If you really believed that God was the Creator, then you would have no problem accepting ID.

The IDers say God might be a "space alien." Sorry your god is too small to do what I know mine does.

In fact, if you reject the core presuppositions of ID you are left with no other philosophical ground than atheism.

If you think so, you're a lot dumber than you seem to be. Orthodox Christianity has no need to pretend that faith is science. It's not, and was never intended to be. Your new religion is more interested in making political points than in worshiping a Creator.

Why?

Because Jesus as Lord isn't their focus. For example, the Unification Church has made your doctrine their official belief. ID is quite compatible with a mere man asserting that he's an improvement on Jesus. Because it demotes God to a mere "designer", that's a logical conclusion. Maybe just a "space alien."

That's the new god you worship. I'll stick with the one who speaks in the Bible, thank you.

Because any God worth of the title doesn't un-intelligently design anything.

An omnipotent God doesn't design anything. He doesn't have to figure out things. Design is the mark of a creature, not a Creator.

Is that what you believe?

I believe you guys have tried to demote God because an omnipotent Creator scares you.

That God is an un-intelligent designer?

 

[Stripe]

Dialogos admits:
That's you. You want to accept God your way, not his. You can't have your version and the truth.
It's not surprising that a Christian-hating atheist and a YE creationist would find common cause. They are both dedicated to the idea that the way God created things is wrong.
The IDers say God might be a "space alien." Sorry your god is too small to do what I know mine does.
If you think so, you're a lot dumber than you seem to be. Orthodox Christianity has no need to pretend that faith is science. It's not, and was never intended to be. Your new religion is more interested in making political points than in worshiping a Creator.
Because Jesus as Lord isn't their focus. For example, the Unification Church has made your doctrine their official belief. ID is quite compatible with a mere man asserting that he's an improvement on Jesus. Because it demotes God to a mere "designer", that's a logical conclusion. Maybe just a "space alien."
That's the new god you worship. I'll stick with the one who speaks in the Bible, thank you.
An omnipotent God doesn't design anything. He doesn't have to figure out things. Design is the mark of a creature, not a Creator.
I believe you guys have tried to demote God because an omnipotent Creator scares you.
That God is an un-intelligent designer?

Meanwhile, you reject the plain teaching of scripture, eliminating yourself from any rational discussion.

 

[Kdall]

Meanwhile, you reject the plain teaching of scripture, eliminating yourself from most irrational, purely theological discussions.

Fixed it for you

 

[aikido7]

USA state of Alabama has introduced legislation allowing teachers and students more academic freedom.

The preamble of House Bill 592 says "This bill would require the State Board of Education, local boards of education, and staff of K-12 public schools to create an environment that encourages students to explore scientific questions, learn about scientific evidence, develop critical thinking skills, and respond appropriately and respectfully to differences of opinion about scientific subjects.

"This bill would also allow public school teachers to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of all existing scientific theories covered in a science course."


So who is opposed to this academic freedom? Evolutionists, of course. The bill allows teachers to discuss strengths and weaknesses of evolution. Teachers are NOT allowed to teach religion or the Genesis creation account..... So what are they afraid of?

When confronted with academic freedom most conservative types immediately put themselves into a "one down" position of victimization. They feel anyone in academics is talking down to them and trying to make them feel dumb.

I don't know why this happens, but I have noticed it a LOT.

 

[Stripe]

When confronted with evidence, evolutionists immediately put themselves into a "la la la la la" position of "I can't hear you," sticking their fingers in their ears. They feel that anyone talking evidence might uncover the paucity of their ideas.

I don't know why this happens, but I have noticed it a LOT.

:think:

Wait. I do know why it happens.

 

[Kdall]

When confronted with evidence, evolutionists immediately put themselves into a "la la la la la" position of "I can't hear you," sticking their fingers in their ears. They feel that anyone talking evidence might uncover the paucity of their ideas.

I don't know why this happens, but I have noticed it a LOT.

:think:

Wait. I do know why it happens.

Haha of course. You're certainly not projecting here, are you?

 

[6days]

When confronted with academic freedom most conservative types immediately put themselves into a "one down" position of victimization. They feel anyone in academics is talking down to them and trying to make them feel dumb.

I don't know why this happens, but I have noticed it a LOT.

Home schooled students who do have academic freedom hardly are feeling victimized. They consistently score higher in college entrance exams than those from public schools, who are told what to think, rather than how to think.

 

[Caino]

Haha of course. You're certainly not projecting here, are you?

The creation story was written by the ancestors of the same elite church government who lied about Jesus at his trumped up trial and then killed him. Why wouldn't you trust them? What, did someone whack you in the head with a common sense stick?

We are church government and we are here to help.....and we are infallible.......and our writings, if you don't believe our writings something is wrong with you.

 

[The Barbarian]

When confronted with academic freedom most conservative types immediately put themselves into a "one down" position of victimization. They feel anyone in academics is talking down to them and trying to make them feel dumb.

I don't know why this happens, but I have noticed it a LOT.

I can only point out that Stipe is not typical of conservatives. There are many honest and intelligent conservatives, some of whom post on this board. Don't use Stipe's behavior to characterize all of them.

 

[Stripe]

I can only point out that Stipe is not typical of conservatives. There are many honest and intelligent conservatives, some of whom post on this board. Don't use Stipe's behavior to characterize all of them.

Meanwhile, you lie about scripture, pretending it is compatible with your religion.

 

[aikido7]

Home schooled students who do have academic freedom hardly are feeling victimized. They consistently score higher in college entrance exams than those from public schools, who are told what to think, rather than how to think.

Interesting and compelling response. And elegantly stated, as well.

Just my own opinion.

 

[aikido7]

I can only point out that Stipe is not typical of conservatives. There are many honest and intelligent conservatives, some of whom post on this board. Don't use Stipe's behavior to characterize all of them.

Thank you for reminding me that labels and judgments are generalizations we put on people and in doing so unwittingly assign them to positions not all people will believe in.

After reading conservative believer and theologian Mark Noll's book

http://www.amazon.com/Scandal-Evang...&keywords=the+scandal+of+the+evangelical+mind

I have been informed of the thinking patterns of many traditional believers. But at the same time I must admit even Noll's book is a generalization. But it IS based on real-world research and data.

 

[The Barbarian]

(Barbarian points out to Aikido that conservatives are not all the same)
There are many honest and intelligent conservatives, some of whom post on this board.

Aikido responds:

I have been informed of the thinking patterns of many traditional believers. But at the same time I must admit even Noll's book is a generalization. But it IS based on real-world research and data.

Stipe tries to be helpful:

Meanwhile, you lie about scripture, pretending it is compatible with your religion.

Thanks a lot, Stipe.

 

[aikido7]

Meanwhile, you lie about scripture, pretending it is compatible with your religion.

I have often been accused of the same--especially by the monitors on this website.

Because there are many traditions and theologies in the Bible that clearly contradict each other and show up obvious discrepancies, I have to take them ALL seriously, simply because they are IN the Bible.

As Christians (and also by unbelievers and atheists here) we ALL interpret Scripture as we see fit. If God inspires truth and right division of the Word, then we have to admit he inspires these different and contradictory passages--and also inspires the many different translations of the text.

Heck, if we all believed the same thing there would not be any of the discussions on theologyonline.com that we presently enjoy.

 

[Stripe]

I have often been accused of the same--especially by the monitors on this website. Because there are many traditions and theologies in the Bible that clearly contradict each other and show up obvious discrepancies, I have to take them ALL seriously, simply because they are IN the Bible. As Christians (and also by unbelievers and atheists here) we ALL interpret Scripture as we see fit. If God inspires truth and right division of the Word, then we have to admit he inspires these different and contradictory passages--and also inspires the many different translations of the text. Heck, if we all believed the same thing there would not be any of the discussions on theologyonline.com that we presently enjoy.

Your confusion is not my problem.

The Bible says "six days" and never contradicts itself on that point.

Anyone who claims that it does not teach "six days" is an ignorant fool or a liar. Barbarian is a liar, you are a fool.

 

[6days]

Because there are many traditions and theologies in the Bible that clearly contradict each other and show up obvious discrepancies, I have to take them ALL seriously, simply because they are IN the Bible.

As Stripe says... God's Word NEVER contradicts itself.
If you believe that...then you are essentially judging God and determining for yourself what you want to believe.

 

[Stripe]

As Stripe says... God's Word NEVER contradicts itself.

To be fair, I didn't say that.

 

[6days]

To be fair, I didn't say that.

OK..... "on that point".

But God's Word itself is never contradictory

 

[Stripe]

God's Word itself is never contradictory

Let's just stick with what I said. :thumb:

Barbarian is a liar, aikido is a fool.