It's not a Gnostic work. It is cannon for Ethiopian orthodox I think.
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You think? I doubt it.
It's not a Gnostic work. It is cannon for Ethiopian orthodox I think.
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You think? I doubt it.
Wow...there you go attacking people for no reason again. Such a keen example of what a Christian is to be and how they are to act.You think? I doubt it.
I really hope that none actually look up to you.
The Book of Enoch is a gnostic mysticism work that was authored approximately around 300 BCE. Interestingly its a work that is reverred by occultists and some of the worlds most prominent Satanists. That alone should let you know the veracity of the book and its supposed canonicity thats only recognised by one Church on the entire planet.
Are we to follow the masses or go along the narrow path and in through the side gate?The Book of Enoch is a gnostic mysticism work that was authored approximately around 300 BCE. Interestingly its a work that is reverred by occultists and some of the worlds most prominent Satanists. That alone should let you know the veracity of the book and its supposed canonicity thats only recognised by one Church on the entire planet.
Are we to follow the masses or go along the narrow path and in through the side gate?
Are we to let others lead us astray with the traditions of man?
Are we to fear anything whatsoever but the consequences of our actions and the judgment of GOD?
Are we to be loved by the masses or hated?
Peace
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Accept it as what?So, you accept The Book of Enoch?
The Book of Enoch is a gnostic mysticism work that was authored approximately around 300 BCE. Interestingly its a work that is reverred by occultists and some of the worlds most prominent Satanists. That alone should let you know the veracity of the book and its supposed canonicity thats only recognised by one Church on the entire planet.
Are we to follow the masses or go along the narrow path and in through the side gate?
Are we to let others lead us astray with the traditions of man?
Are we to fear anything whatsoever but the consequences of our actions and the judgment of GOD?
Are we to be loved by the masses or hated?
Peace
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I examine what I believe daily. And I don't base my opinion on the traditions of man or the favor of the masses.None of that matters. The BoE is a well known recognised forgery by all reputable academic, rabbinic and theological circles.
You dont need to believe me. Just read the book of Enoch for yourself and draw your own conclusion. As if you're claiming to be a Christian and yet you're willing to defend an accepted occult work then you may want to re-examine what you believe in.
None of that matters... Wow... The teachings of the Christ do not matter to you?None of that matters. The BoE is a well known recognised forgery by all reputable academic, rabbinic and theological circles.
You dont need to believe me. Just read the book of Enoch for yourself and draw your own conclusion. As if you're claiming to be a Christian and yet you're willing to defend an accepted occult work then you may want to re-examine what you believe in.
None of that matters... Wow... The teachings of the Christ do not matter to you?
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But why attempt to discourage any from reading anything. Are we to be guided by fear of anything whatsoever but GOD.If the teachings of Christ didnt matter to me i wouldnt A) Be on this board and B) I wouldnt be attempting to discourage you from reading an occult book.
I examine what I believe daily. And I don't base my opinion on the traditions of man.
Who decides whether a book is divinely inspired?
Men...
Judaism was originally polytheistic but it's still in the Bible.
I've read the book of Enoch more than once and actively read the core religious writing of many of the faithful. Why wouldn't I?
Peace.
People being scared to read something are letting unwarranted fear control them.
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SonOfCaleb,
Why assume my faith is derived from any book?
Judaism derived from polytheistic beliefs. It has little to do with the fact that it is an abrahamic faith.
Demonism? Never saw that in scripture.
The book of Enoch has nothing to do with magic. You would know that if you read it.
Again I ask; why tell anyone to not read anything?
The*origins of Judaism*lie in the*Bronze Agepolytheistic*Ancient Semitic religions, specifically*Canaanite religion, a syncretization with elements of*Babylonian religion*and of the worship of*Yahwehreflected in the early*prophetic books*of theHebrew Bible. During the Iron Age I, the Israelite religion became distinct from other Canaanite religions due to the unique monolatristic (proto-monotheistic) worship ofYahweh.
That's from Wikipedia and the first thing that pops up if you google the origins of Judaism.
SonOfCaleb,
Yet regardless of when the actual denomination or official religion of Judaism was named; previous traditions and practices surely bleed off into the religion. If you doubt that then perhaps simply read the OT. Jeremiah comes to mind, but in its entirety the tribes of Judah are rebuked for their misdirection and worship of other gods and idol worship (placing anything before the Will of GOD)
I agree that Wikipedia has the potential to be wrong, but studies show that generally that just isn't the case.
I agree that magic, witch craft, sorcery and the like are not pleasing to GOD, yet I contend that the book of Enoch verified those same points and even expounds upon them, so your claim that it is domonistic or what have you are moot on that point alone.
It is becoming apparent that you haven't actually read it, yet you will read the words of others and determine your opinion from there, though we both know that that isn't the correct means of which one should determine such. As you stated about Wikipedia in a way.
You can claim that the book is popular among those who may be of the opposition or wrong direction, but again I posit that it is canon text for Ethiopian Christians.
Christianity in Ethiopia*dates to the 1st century AD, arguably the first nation in the world to accept Christianity (the other nation to debate this being Armenia) and this long tradition makes*Ethiopia*unique amongst sub-Saharan African countries. Christianity in this country is divided into several groups. The largest and oldest is the*Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church*(in Amharic: የኢትዮጵያ ኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሕዶ ቤተክርስትያን Yäityop'ya ortodoks täwahedo bétäkrestyan) is an Oriental Orthodox church in*Ethiopia*that was part of the*Coptic Orthodox Church*until 1959, when it was granted its own Patriarch byCoptic Orthodox Pope*of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa*Cyril VI.
The only pre-colonial Christian church of Africa (note: Ethiopia is also the only country in Africa to have never been colonized), the Ethiopian Church has a membership of between 40 and 45 million,[1]*the majority of whom live in Ethiopia,[2]*and is thus the largest of all*Oriental Orthodox*churches. Next in size are the various*Protestant*congregations, who include 13.7 million Ethiopians. The largest Protestant group is the*Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus, with about 5 million members.*Roman Catholicism*has been present in Ethiopia since the 16th century, and numbers 536,827 believers. In total, Christians make up about 60% of the total population of the country.[3]*According to a breakdown of the figures from and information about the United States:A 2015 study estimates 400,000 people of orthodox christianity faith live in United States.*[4]
No. Im afraid your understanding of this is incorrect. The Jewish faith was unique in that the Jews recieved their law convenant by divine intervention direct from God when Moses went up into Mount Sinai. What became known as the Mosaic Law which is detailed in the first 5 books known as the Torah or the Pentatuch was an immmutable law. The fundamentals of which are rooted in the so called 10 commandments or 10 words.
Note the first 'commandment' at Exodus 20:2-5 "2 I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
These were Gods own words to Moses, a prophet whom God said he spoke to "face to face". Note this was the first of all the commandments that Israel was not to have ANY Gods beside Jehovah God alone. This shows the primacy of Gods command to Israel. God goes on to punctuate this point very clearly in verse 5 where he says am a God exacting exclusive devotion. It doesn't get any clearer than this that the fundamentals of the Jewish faith were established solely on the concept of monotheism and not polytheism.
Granted once the Jews moved into the promise land and started mingling with the Canaanites which they were instructed NOT to do by the Levites and numerous prophets such as Elijah, Isaiah and Jeremiah the Israelites started to worship false gods. Their apostasy got so bad that by the time God had given the nation into the hands of the Babylonians and Babylon took Israel captive in 607 BCE, when they returned back to Israel under Cyrus decree in 537 BCE most of the Jews who returned were unfamiliar with their religion and its practices much less being versed in the Mosaic Law which was an integral part of their religious instruction! You only have to read the books of Nehemiah and Ezra to understand the sorry state Israel was in, and the apostasy it had sunk into which was the reason why God allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem for their disobedience in the first place.
Regardless the Levites who were the priestly tribe were responsible for religious instruction. Their law was was kept in the Most Holy in the Tabernacle which only the Levite High Priest had access to. The most Holy was so sacred that anyone accessing it unlawfully was suffered the penalty of death.
So as you can see there are no examples biblically, rabbinic or secular that support the notion that Jews of remote antiquity adopted pagan religious custom into their religion during the earliest times of its establishment.
The Pharisees and some Jewish gnostics like the Essenes did adopt and incorporate Hellenic customs into their brand of Judaism but this was thousands of years after the Jews were setted in Palestine.
I don't disagree. But in this case it clearly is.
Its really not a moot point as its obvious Enoch who died long before the flood of Noah didnt write the BoE. Therefore who or what would you attribute this gnostic source to? One of the first criteria when deciding the canonicity of a book was to verify the author. The BoE fails miserably in that regard as Enoch died well over 2000 years before the BoE was written. Thus its obvious he's not the author of the book.
Athough ive only read a handful of passages from it which were mostly incoherent nonsense i dont feel the need to read a book that i know is fraudulent. From the research i've done of the book its clear its fraudulent. Outside of academic consideration I dont consider debating gnostic material a good use of my time.
In terms of supporting your point this is irrelavent. Firstly the first Christian congregations established were in Jerusalem in 1AD. Other early congregations were in Ephesus, Corinth and Galatia to name a few. Early Christians in 1AD were to be found as far a field as Tarshish (Spain) or Babylon, or Syria and Egypt where many Christian Jews fled after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70CE. Thus the argument that the Ethiopian Copts of 1AD who believe the BoE is canonical is inconsequential as they were not the first Christians nor the first Christian congregation/church.
In fact id go as far to assert that the 1AD claim for the Ethiopian Copts is probably a spurious date. The great apostasy Jesus prophesied didnt occur until at least the 2nd/3rd Century AD. The Coptic Church was one of the first Churches to be established in Egypt/Ethiopia around the middle of the 2nd Century and may be later. The Jews who lived in Egypt and Ethiopia were very familiar with their Jewish learning, religion and custom. The BoE was simply not a book they read or used in their religious instruction. It was not a book that was read to the Jews when learning the law. And as zealous as the early Christians were many dying by their thousands especially in Rome at the hands of the tyrant Nero its extremely unlikely they would have lent any support to a book that was A) Not canonical according to the Jews nor the Christian Apostolic governing body in Jerusalem of 1AD who directed early Christianity along with the Apostle Paul and B) The Bible Canon was already closed by 1AD just after the death of John on the Island of Patmos after he wrote Revelations.
In fact early councils in Laodicea 367CE and Chalcedon 451CE and the so called church fathers were in substantial agreement in accepting the established Jewish canon and in rejecting the Apocryphal books which include the BoE.
By the end of the second century there was no question that the canon of the Christian Greek Scriptures was closed. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian recognized the writings comprising the Christian Scriptures as carrying authority equal to that of the Hebrew Scriptures.
It would be interesting to know when the Orthodox Tewahedo added the BoE to their canon. As id hazard a guess it was long after 1AD when the Bible canon was aready closed.