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iamaberean

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patrick jane said:
Cain is of the devil
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Who else, patrick?

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees,
 
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iamaberean said:
Who else, patrick?

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees,
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I don't know, who else? The serpent?
 
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iamaberean said:
That seems to be what scripture implies.
How could that be?
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Is Adam really Cain's Father? You may understand the Bible to say Adam and Eve had sex and Cain was born of that union. That's an assumption this writing will challenge. This is important because, as I think you'll shortly see, unless you really grasp the importance of seed and what happened in the Garden between the serpent, Eve and Adam you're missing a major "piece of the puzzle." Without it, you won't be able to interpret some really important elements of the counterfeit and the genuine agendas playing out in these last days. Adam did not father Cain, the serpent did.

Source http://theopenscroll.com/cainsPaternity.htm
 
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iamaberean said:
Who else, patrick?

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees,
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When the verse says: "He was a murderer from the beginning," it speaks in the "Spiritual sense." In other words, the serpent (Satan) enticed Adam and Eve to sin against God and therefore, that enticement brought about the physical death of not only Adam and Eve, but, the entire human race. Cain was indeed Adam and Eve's Son. However, it was Satan (in the form of the serpent) that brought physical death upon all of mankind.
 
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Not only did Adam's sin bring physical death, but Spiritual death in the sense, that man was separated from God through that deed.

Notice in John 8:44 it states: "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father"

It doesn't say: "You are of your father Cain."
 
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We must remember that Satan and the other fallen angels were not created with the ability to procreate. They didn't have the equipment for that possibility. That's why, in order for a demon to possess a human being, it can only be done in the supernatural realm and not through procreation.
 
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iamaberean said:
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain is of the wicked one?
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Anyone who slays his brother is of the Wicked One.
 
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So, in the Spiritual sense, Satan (the serpent in the garden) was the first murderer. His deceit made it possible for humanity to die. Therefore, he was a murderer. In the worldly (physical) sense, Cain was the first murderer.
 
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