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ACLU Claims Use of ‘God Bless You’, Prayer Request Boxes at Louisiana High School Are Illegal

BENTON, La. — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is demanding that a Louisiana school stop allowing students to place prayer request boxes on campus and that its principal stop mentioning God on the school website.

The organization sent a letter last week to the superintendent of the Bossier Parish School System to complain about the activities at Airline High School. It asserted that the prayer boxes, which were placed by the student-led Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and Principal Jason Rowland’s use of the phrase “God bless you all” on the school website, are illegal.

“This letter is to inform you that these practices violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and comparable provisions of the Louisiana Constitution, and they must stop immediately,” the correspondence read.

“The United States Constitution requires public schools to ensure that state-supported activity is not used for religious indoctrination,” it continued. “When school staff crosses the constitutional line, … the courts have declared these activities unlawful. There is no question that the principal has violated these legal mandates by invoking God, prayer, and Christianity in school publications and on school grounds.”

The ACLU then demanded the removal of the prayer boxes and asked that Rowland be instructed not to reference religion in any school communications.

But Freedom Guard, a legal organization led by Rep. Mike Johnson, R-Bossier City, soon also sent a letter to the parish superintendent asserting that the ACLU is wrong. It offered to provide free legal representation in the matter.

“As usual, the ACLU is wrong on both the facts and the law,” Johnson wrote in the letter.

He said that students have a right to place the prayer boxes for use by their peers, and that Rowland’s use of “God bless you all” is “an innocuous reference to our religious heritage.”

Superintendent D.C. Machen says that the school board’s attorney is reviewing the letters from the ACLU and Freedom Guard. The matter will be discussed further in a board meeting on Thursday.

“As a public body, the Bossier Parish School Board is limited to taking official action at duly-convened meetings of the board. As the subject letter was just received, it has been placed on the agenda of the board’s October 1, 2015 school board meeting,” a statement from spokesperson Sonja Bailes reads.

“In the meantime, please understand that the Bossier Parish School System enjoys an established record of achievement,” it continues. “Such success is due in large part to the fact that, as in this case, the system respects both the law and the religious beliefs of all its students and employees.”
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Yep, the whining has become a daily thing.
 
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ACLU Claims Use of ‘God Bless You’, Prayer Request Boxes at Louisiana High School Are Illegal


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Yep, the whining has become a daily thing.
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ONLY Congress can violate the first amendment.
 
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ok doser said:
what makes you think that's my fantasy? :idunno:
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Most traditional believers tend to take the Bible's sacred imagery literally.

What are your feelings of John of Patmos's prediction in Revelation that the blood of the unbelievers will flow to the "level of the horse's bridle for a distance of 200 miles" ?

What do you think of the violent revenge feelings of most Christians after the 9/11 attacks?
 
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cite?
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Today, to be a Christian all one has to do is believe in ancient theological dogmatic phrases such as "Jesus is the Son of God," "Savior of the World," "born of a virgin," etc. Christianity has little to do with taking him seriously and following his teachings.

The creeds we are directed to affirm on Sunday say nothing whatsoever about the Kingdom of God parables and the core of Jesus's teachings.

People take the phrase "born of a virgin" as saying something about the biology of Mary when it actually speaks to the importance of Jesus.

There are believers in the 21st century who are actually convinced people can rise from their graves and walk around.

Most traditional Christians think Jesus walked around on the surface of a lake.

They also believe the curtain in the temple magically tore in two at Jesus's death instead of seeing the incident as a profoundly symbolic metaphor
 
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aikido7 said:
Today, to be a Christian all one has to do is believe in ancient theological dogmatic phrases such as "Jesus is the Son of God," "Savior of the World," "born of a virgin," etc. Christianity has little to do with taking him seriously and following his teachings.
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False, there is only one way to be a christian and that is to believe the gospel of salvation.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
 
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Angel4Truth said:
ACLU Claims Use of ‘God Bless You’, Prayer Request Boxes at Louisiana High School Are Illegal



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Yep, the whining has become a daily thing.
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And if this goes to court, the school will lose. Hopefully though, they'll just end it on their own and not waste taxpayer money fighting a losing cause.
 
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Kinda like this...

Blessed are the Peacemakers decals removed from sheriff's vehicles

The “Blessed are the peacemakers” decals have been removed from the vehicles for the Houston County Sheriff’s Office...

...Dempsey said the recommendation was made after he and the sheriff had received two letters from Americans United for Separation of Church and State threatening legal action if the decals were not removed from the sheriff’s vehicles.

Dempsey said county officials spoke with a local attorney along with the county’s insurance carrier and learned if the county did not remove the decals they could face expensive legal fees.

“Of course neither the commission or anyone here supports that request, however we contacted our liability insurance carrier and their attorneys said if we take this to court they said we’re going to lose,” Dempsey said. “The county would be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal expenses.”
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Yeah, good call. :up:
 
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Angel4Truth said:
False, there is only one way to be a christian and that is to believe the gospel of salvation.
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Read through the TOL postings and comments of our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

You may notice that your personal theology "...there is only one way to be a christian [sic]" is but one of many theologies, interpretations and opinions about the Christian faith.
 
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aikido7 said:
Read through the TOL postings and comments of our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

You may notice that your personal theology "...there is only one way to be a christian [sic]" is but one of many theologies, interpretations and opinions about the Christian faith.
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And there is still only way to become a christian.
 
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aikido7 said:
Today, to be a Christian all one has to do is believe in ancient theological dogmatic phrases such as "Jesus is the Son of God," "Savior of the World," "born of a virgin," etc. Christianity has little to do with taking him seriously and following his teachings.

The creeds we are directed to affirm on Sunday say nothing whatsoever about the Kingdom of God parables and the core of Jesus's teachings.

People take the phrase "born of a virgin" as saying something about the biology of Mary when it actually speaks to the importance of Jesus.

There are believers in the 21st century who are actually convinced people can rise from their graves and walk around.

Most traditional Christians think Jesus walked around on the surface of a lake.

They also believe the curtain in the temple magically tore in two at Jesus's death instead of seeing the incident as a profoundly symbolic metaphor
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when asked for a cite you're sposed to give something other than your own opinion


like a linky to some expert?
 
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Why threaten legal action in the first place? Is law enforcement not "peacemakers"?
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Because as representatives of the government, they can't endorse a religion, in this case, by citing Bible verses. That's why the attorneys and the insurance company made it clear that they would lose if it went to court.
 
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It is instructive that the police removed the decal on the basis of likely financial penalty, and not because the police were acting illegally.

Punishment/reward seems like a watered down version of morality compared to doing the right thing for its own sake.
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From the article....

"we contacted our liability insurance carrier and their attorneys said, if we take this to court, they said we’re going to lose"

The financial penalty was going to be a result of them losing the case. If they thought they would win, the other side likely would have had to pay their legal expenses. And I'd bet their insurance company told them that if the police department was stupid enough to try and take this to court, they wouldn't cover them.
 
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Jose Fly said:
Because as representatives of the government, they can't endorse a religion, in this case, by citing Bible verses. That's why the attorneys and the insurance company made it clear that they would lose if it went to court.
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And if the decals said "thou shall not murder"?

It's not religious in context even if the exact phrase is also found in the bible. Hence, no government endorsement.

"In God we trust" is still on our currency, is it not?
 
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