When does the biblical day begin?

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Then why do we read that the passover was already over by the time when the 15th arrived?

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

You can make your assertions until you are blue in the face but until you explain what is said in this verse then you are just spinning your wheels!

The 14th is Passover when the Lamb is killed:

Numbers 28:16
"'On the fourteenth day of the first month the LORD's Passover is to be held.

It is then cooked and after the sun sets it is eaten, and because the sun has set it is now the 15th:

Exodus 12:8
That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

It says night because night is when it is dark because the sun has set, thus it is day 15.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why do you continue to ignore what is written at Numbers 33:3?

 

[jamie]

According to this the 15th was the day after the passover.

Yes, the Passover was killed on the 14th and speculation has it that the 15th would be the day after the Passover.

The Days of Unleavened Bread are designated for observance from the 15th to the 21st. This observance is to commemorate the exodus from Egypt.

The people left Egypt the morning of the 15th and the Passover meal had been eaten the evening before.

Also, after the meal and before leaving the death angel zipped through and there were casualties.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Why do you continue to ignore what is written at Numbers 33:3?

Numbers 33
3 They departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with boldness in the sight of all the Egyptians.

It clearly says they left on the 15th. So after they had eaten the Passover Lamb that night on the 15th (after the sun had set), they then set set off on the Exodus that same night. What is it that you are not understanding?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

It clearly says they left on the 15th.

Yes, and by the time the 15th arrived the passover was over:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

So after they had eaten the Passover Lamb that night on the 15th (after the sun had set), they then set set off on the Exodus that same night. What is it that you are not understanding?

You have them eating the passover on the 15th despite the fact that Numbers 33:3 says that the passover was over by the time the 15th arrived.

 

[jamie]

You have them eating the passover on the 15th despite the fact that Numbers 33:3 says that the passover was over by the time the 15th arrived.

Jerry, how many years have you observed the Passover?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The Days of Unleavened Bread are designated for observance from the 15th to the 21st. This observance is to commemorate the exodus from Egypt.

The feast of unleavened bread was in memory of the days when the israelites DEPARTED from Egypt (Ex.12:7) and it was observed on the 15th through the 21st (Lev.23:16).

However, the Passover was in memory to the night IN EGYPT when the LORD passed over the blood stained houses (Ex.12:13-14) and that day was celebrated on the 14th (Num.28:6).

These were separate and distinct celebrations but your ideas merge them together.

Jerry, how many years have you observed the Passover?

Why do you want to change the subject?

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Yes, and by the time the 15th arrived the passover was over:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

You have them eating the passover on the 15th despite the fact that Numbers 33:3 says that the passover was over by the time the 15th arrived.

The Lamb they are eating is what is being referred to as the Passover, it is the Passover Lamb! It does not mean that the 15th is also the Passover.

The 14th is Passover when the Passover Lamb is killed but the Passover Lamb is not eaten till the 15th. Now does it make sense?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The 14th is Passover when the Passover Lamb is killed but the Passover Lamb is not eaten till the 15th. Now does it make sense?

No, it does not make sense. The passover happen the day BEFORE the 15th, not on the 15th:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

Besides that, we see the same truth here, that the passover was on the 14th, not the 15th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:6).​

 

[S-word]

Yes, the Passover was killed on the 14th and speculation has it that the 15th would be the day after the Passover.

The Days of Unleavened Bread are designated for observance from the 15th to the 21st. This observance is to commemorate the exodus from Egypt.

The people left Egypt the morning of the 15th and the Passover meal had been eaten the evening before.

Also, after the meal and before leaving the death angel zipped through and there were casualties.

Jamie wrote......The people left Egypt the morning of the 15th and the Passover meal had been eaten the evening before.

S-word.........Wrong again Jamie, go to the bottom of the class.

Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition; Numbers 28: 16-17; "The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord is to be held on the 14th day of the first month. on the 15th day a religious festival 'BEGINS' which lasts seven days, during which, only bread prepared without yeast is to be eaten.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, "THE DAY AFTER" the first Passover.

Deuteronomy 16:1; King James Version (KJV) Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

"BY NIGHT," on the 15th day of Abib NOT MORNING." And the night is the beginning of the 15th day, and the night of the 15th is the night after the 14th, when the Lambs were eat, and when all the first born sons of Egypt were Killed at midnight.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, (By Night) THE DAY AFTER the first Passover. Under the Lord’s protection they left the city of Rameses in full view of the Egyptians, who were burying the first born sons that the Lord had killed.

The majority of Egyptians would not have even known that their first born sons were dead, until they awoke around sunrise of the 14th day of the first month, the day before the 15th when they left by night.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

No, it does not make sense. The passover happen the day BEFORE the 15th, not on the 15th:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

Besides that, we see the same truth here, that the passover was on the 14th, not the 15th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:6).​

We agree that the 14th is Passover and we agree that the 15th is not Passover. We agree that the Passover Lamb is killed on the 14th but you are saying it was eaten on the 14th while I am saying the God told them to eat it on the 15th. Scripture backs up what I am saying:

Exodus 12:8
That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

And this verse also shows that they left Rameses that same night in the 15th:

Numbers 33:3
"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).

In fact it was gone midnight when they left after the first born had been killed:

Exodus 12:29
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

So why you can't understand this is odd?

Day 14 the Passover Lamb is killed and they begin to cook it.
The sun sets and it is now day 15.
It is now night and they eat the Passover Lamb.
They get ready to leave.
At midnight the first born are killed.
They then leave.

What bit don't you understand and why?

 

[clefty]

We agree that the 14th is Passover and we agree that the 15th is not Passover. We agree that the Passover Lamb is killed on the 14th but you are saying it was eaten on the 14th while I am saying the God told them to eat it on the 15th. Scripture backs up what I am saying:

Exodus 12:8
That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

And this verse also shows that they left Rameses that same night in the 15th:

Numbers 33:3
"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).

In fact it was gone midnight when they left after the first born had been killed:

Exodus 12:29
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

So why you can't understand this is odd?

Day 14 the Passover Lamb is killed and they begin to cook it.
The sun sets and it is now day 15.
It is now night and they eat the Passover Lamb.
They get ready to leave.
At midnight the first born are killed.
They then leave.

What bit don't you understand and why?

"Lev. 7:15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning."

http://www.isawthelightministries.com/daystarts.html

 

[S-word]

We agree that the 14th is Passover and we agree that the 15th is not Passover. We agree that the Passover Lamb is killed on the 14th but you are saying it was eaten on the 14th while I am saying the God told them to eat it on the 15th. Scripture backs up what I am saying:

Exodus 12:8
That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

And this verse also shows that they left Rameses that same night in the 15th:

Numbers 33:3
"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).

In fact it was gone midnight when they left after the first born had been killed:

Exodus 12:29
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

So why you can't understand this is odd?

Day 14 the Passover Lamb is killed and they begin to cook it.
The sun sets and it is now day 15.
It is now night and they eat the Passover Lamb.
They get ready to leave.
At midnight the first born are killed.
They then leave.

What bit don't you understand and why?

How old are you child? Go back and read post #190.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival BEGINS which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

.Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14 th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’ as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day) for all time to come.

Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition; Numbers 28: 16-17; "The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord is to be held on the 14th day of the first month. on the 15th day a religious festival 'BEGINS' which lasts seven days, during which, only bread prepared without yeast is to be eaten.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, 'THE DAY AFTER' the first Passover.

Deuteronomy 16: 6; You must only sacrifice the Passover animal at the place where Yahweh your God chooses to have his name dwell. Do it in the evening as the sun sets. At the time of the day you departed Egypt.

At what time of the day did the Israelites leave Egypt?

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt (At Sunset) at the BEGINNING of the 15th day of the first month of the year, ‘THE DAY AFTER’ the first Passover. Under the Lord’s protection they left the city of Rameses in full view of the Egyptians, who were burying the first born sons that the Lord had killed. (At Mid night on the 14th day of Abib.)

They killed the Pascal animal at evening on the 14th day of Abib, the ate the animal in the early evening of the 14th day of Abib, the first born Egyptian Sons were killed at midnight on the 14th day of Abib, and the Israelites left Egypt at sunset which was the beginning of the 15th day of Abib.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

LUKE 22:15 "And he said to them: 'I have longingly desired [epithumia epethumesa] to eat this Passover with you before my suffering; 16 however, I tell you that I shall not eat of it, until it can be administered in the Kingdom of God.'" (The Holy Bible in Modern English)

To which day of the month is this referring?:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer"(Lk.22:7-15).​

Since you consider yourself an expert on these things this question should be easy for you to answer!

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

"Lev. 7:15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning."

http://www.isawthelightministries.com/daystarts.html

Taking scripture out of context is one of the first things any Christian should learn.

That verse relates specifically to Fellowship offerings and not the Passover Lamb, and actually in certain circumstances part of the Fellowship Offering can be eaten the next day as well, but you need to take it in context to know that:

Leviticus 7
The Fellowship Offering

11“ ‘These are the regulations for the fellowship offering anyone may present to the Lord:

12“ ‘If they offer it as an expression of thankfulness, then along with this thank offering they are to offer thick loaves made without yeast and with olive oil mixed in, thin loaves made without yeast and brushed with oil, and thick loaves of the finest flour well-kneaded and with oil mixed in. 13Along with their fellowship offering of thanksgiving they are to present an offering with thick loaves of bread made with yeast. 14They are to bring one of each kind as an offering, a contribution to the Lord; it belongs to the priest who splashes the blood of the fellowship offering against the altar. 15The meat of their fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; they must leave none of it till morning.

16“ ‘If, however, their offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day they offer it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day. 17Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up. 18If any meat of the fellowship offering is eaten on the third day, the one who offered it will not be accepted. It will not be reckoned to their credit, for it has become impure; the person who eats any of it will be held responsible.

 

[jamie]

Why do you want to change the subject?

Because it seems to me you are dealing with an issue with which you have no actual experience.

This is apparent from your posts about the Passover most of which is moot anyway because the Mosaic Passover has been superseded and is no longer valid.

 

[jamie]

Deuteronomy 16:1; King James Version (KJV) Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.

"BY NIGHT," on the 15th day of Abib NOT MORNING." And the night is the beginning of the 15th day, and the night of the 15th is the night after the 14th, when the Lambs were eat, and when all the first born sons of Egypt were Killed at midnight.

How many hours of night were there back then?

Any idea?

 

[jamie]

The feast of unleavened bread was in memory of the days when the israelites DEPARTED from Egypt (Ex.12:7) and it was observed on the 15th through the 21st (Lev.23:16).

However, the Passover was in memory to the night IN EGYPT when the LORD passed over the blood stained houses (Ex.12:13-14) and that day was celebrated on the 14th (Num.28:6).

These were separate and distinct celebrations but your ideas merge them together.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. (Ezekiel 45:21)​

Actually, Jerry, it is scripture that merges them together.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Because it seems to me you are dealing with an issue with which you have no actual experience.

My ideas on this subject are according to the Scriptures. Your ideas are based on a denial of the Scriptures. According to your ideas the passover was still happening on the 15th despite the fact that the Scriptures reveal that the passover was over by the 15th:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

You continue to insist that you are right even though the Scriptures demonstrate that you are in error, proving that it is you who has no actual experience in regard to this subject. You just stick your head in the sand and pretend that what is said at Numbers 33:3 does not even exist. And you continue in your unbelief by insisting that the passover took place over a period of two days despite the fact that the Scriptures state in no uncertain terms that it took place on only one day, the 14th:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).​

 

[jamie]

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians"[/I] (Num.33:3).[/INDENT]

What does "on the morrow after the Passover" mean?

morrow, next day
Or mochoratham (1 Sam. 30:17) {mokh-or-aw- thawm'}; feminine from the same as machar; the morrow or (adverbially) tomorrow -- morrow, next day. (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance)​

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4283.htm