I'm saying that the law is based on morality, not the other way around. You somehow think that they are the same. They just aren't as I proved biblically. Is your allegience to the bible or your doctrine?
Precisely and it only ever applied to Israel. It was not possible for a man in Rome to violate the Torah.
How about Romans, do you believe that?
By far, the most loving thing you could ever do for the sexual pervert is to enact just laws.
You'd better believe I could! Someone who comes around to sleep with my wife will not like me very much at all and had better keep away if he knows what's good for him.
I simply say that God's Law is moral. It is nothing other than moral. However, people have their own definitions of immorality, though that should not be so.
Incorrect. You have a different standard of morality. And the Law was for Gentiles too. If you know the Law you know that God gave it to the nation of Israel but that it includes provision for Gentiles more than just those who dwell in the land.
Certainly.
When there is emphasis placed here I can see what you are saying. However, it may say that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. I am a little bit weak here. Of course I don't think that the Law ends with Jesus because He kept and taught it. But that you can only find forgiveness in Jesus while the Law condemns is true.
Amen.
Amen.
Shalom.
Saying it doesn't make it so, Jacob. The law of Moses was for Israel and no one else - period.
Nope! The Law of Moses could not justly be enforced against anyone outside the nation of Israel. If you came to Israel then you were under their law but there was no law in Israel that could touch a man in Egypt or Rome or in any other nation on Earth.
What you perceive as "weakness" is a red flag that your doctrine is in conflict with Paul's writings. You want to live your life like a Jew while calling yourself a Christian. "Weakness", as you call it, is unavoidable in that circumstance because you are trusting in your flesh to do that which only the Spirit can accomplish. The law is carnal, meaning it pertained to the flesh. To trust in the law is to resurrect not only the law which Christ nailed to the cross but your flesh as well, which was also hung on that cross in Christ.
I appreciate your agreement here but how do you square it with the idea that the Law is still in effect?
He affirmed it, and then gave an even stricter teaching for His sheep, Israel, for the coming millennial kingdom.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.Professing to be wise, they became fools,and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:18-32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans1:18-32&version=NKJV
I thought there is offerings or an offering that only a Gentile can bring? I haven't verified this, but I have asked about it. I believe I picked that up somewhere.
It came from God. There is no way that anyone on earth can escape its moral demands upon their life.
I don't know why you are trying to get away from the Law. It should be that anyone is allowed to become a proselyte, so that Law is not not for anyone.
I know of no other or better standard apart from the Law apart from Christ Himself.
Okay, I can admit to that. But I do not accept what you were driving at for the same reason. If we emphasize or bold something there may be our own reason that we do so, rather than teaching what it says. I want to learn what it really says, and not make up my own interpretation.
Amen. Me? I am circumcised. I may have been circumcised before becoming born again if I am born again.
He did say something it is fitting something to fulfill all righteousness. Something like that. Some argue that what He was saying was a righteousness not found in or a part of the Law. If anything Jesus magnified or surpassed the Law, not cancelling it out.
I don't. I do not necessarily believe that the Law is still in effect.
Shalom.