What makes Bob Enyart “the man” of this site?

Stripe

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It says, "Your thoughts".

Mind you, it says that about everything...
 

Sierrasam

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I think this is what ranchkid is talking about

I think this is what ranchkid is talking about

No...I'm not commenting on his beliefs, because I'm not a follower and don't have enough knowledge one way or another. I've already stated I'm not a fan.

What I'm saying is Wikipedia is not a source I would look to when trying to find the most accurate information. You would do better to read own writings or listetn to his program (which can be done via podcast) and draw conclusions from his own words, rather than someone else's interpretations.
Here are Bob Enyart's own words in the Criminal Code he endorses, which I and others find most disturbing.


http://shadowgov.com/Constitution/Am...minalCode.html

America's Criminal Code

You shall not murder. Judges will execute those convicted of murder (Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14; 20:13; Lev. 24:17, 21; Num. 35:16-21, 31; Deut. 19:11-13; 1Ki. 18:22, 39-40; 1 Tim. 1:8-10) including those euthanizing, starving, or aborting (Ex. 21:22-23) human beings from the moment of fertilization to natural death. Judges will flog those guilty of assault and impose restitution for lost income and medical expenses (Ex. 21:18-19), and for permanent injury also require an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, life for life (Lev. 24:19-20). Judges will carry out all corporal and capital punishments swiftly and painfully, within twenty-four hours of conviction; and limit floggings to forty blows (Deut. 25:1-3; Lev. 24:19-20; 19:16-21; 1 Pet. 2:20). Judges will not convict for the use of force in defense of property and the innocent, in escalation to match the perceived threat up to lethal force; nor for purely accidental homicide (Deut. 19:4); will execute those guilty of negligent homicide (Ex. 21:28-30; Deut. 22:8); and flog those who could have avoided otherwise accidental homicide, and anyone committing revenge killing (Num. 35:26-27) of those guilty of capital crimes.

You shall not commit adultery. Judges will execute those convicted of bestiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16); those convicted of incest including with in-laws (Lev. 11-12, 14-15, 17, 19-21); of homosexual acts (Lev. 18:22, 29; 20:13); of child molestation; of kidnapping or rape (Ex. 21:15-16; Deut. 22:25-27; 24:7); and of adultery with a married woman (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22; Ex. 20:14). Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress or behavior; of intoxication; and of possession of pornography. Judges will flog more severely those convicted of transvestism; of public nudity; and of distributing pornography. And judges will flog more severely still those convicted of prostitution; of producing pornography for any use; and of sexual acts in public places.

You shall not steal. Judges will flog and require restitution for convicted thieves, negligent recipients of stolen goods, and those who violate contracts (Deut. 25:1 3). Judges will impose double restitution for recovered goods, the return of the goods plus one-hundred percent value (Ex. 22:4, 7-9; 20:15); quadruple for destroyed or sold goods; quintuple for intellectual, irreplaceable and sentimental goods (Ex. 22:1); seven times for insignificant goods (Prov. 6:30-31); and twenty percent for voluntarily surrendered goods (Lev. 6:1-7). The judge shall impose corporal punishment and life for life penalties for collateral damage from any crime, including bodily injury resulting from the destruction of property which warrants greater than even restitution. A person or his resources causing unforeseeable or unavoidable property damage including by natural disaster without negligence shall pay no restitution, or with negligence shall pay even restitution. Persons taking shared risk shall pay mutual restitution (Ex. 21:32-36; Lev. 24:18). Avoidable accident without negligence, including the malfunction of a maintained resource requires even restitution but with negligence, including by a neglected resource demands double restitution. Gross negligence requires quadruple restitution and intentional destruction demands quintuple restitution. Excepting those executed, judges will sentence those who cannot pay restitution, to indentured servitude for up to seven years with the victim receiving all service or earnings.

You shall not bear false witness. Judges will punish those convicted of perjury, false confession, credible threat, conspiracy, abbeting, attempt, fully as though they had personally committed the crime (Deut. 19:16-21; 2 Sam. 1:15-16; Ex. 20:16). Judges will flog and impose restitution on those convicted of slander. Judges will flog those in contempt of court, and execute those guilty of treason and violators of court orders which protect victims (Deut. 17:12-13). A man is not innocent until proven guilty. He is guilty the moment he commits a crime, but presumed innocent (Deut. 22:22-27) in court until convicted. Convicting the innocent and acquitting the guilty are equally unjust (Pro. 17:15). A judge at his discretion, suspends the rights of liberty including the use of weapons, for the credibly accused, and mandatorily confines one facing a likely sentence of maiming or capital punishment, until the rendering of a verdict. Reasonable evidence from two or three witnesses, whether from eyewitnesses, physical, or strong circumstantial evidence, shall suffice for conviction; individual rights shall not supersede the judge's God-given right to impose punishment on the guilty. Judges shall not grant nor have special immunity from prosecution; shall not give more lenient punishment to minors; shall not give special recognition to lawyers or experts in the law; may observe and advise other judges during trial [B P]; shall not allow witnesses to swear or give an oath (James 5:12, Mat. 5:34-37; 2 Cor. 1:17); and shall question witnesses directly. Judges shall not accept no-contest pleas or bargains; shall punish criminals for all collateral damage; shall permit witnesses and victims to participate in punishment (Deut. 13:9; 17:7); and shall show no mercy to the guilty (Num. 35:31; Deut. 19:13, 21; Pro. 6:30-31).

America's Criminal Code shall be enforced by the King as authorized in The Constitution of America.
 

Stripe

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What's disturbing about it? Dead homos and rapists and adulterers ... no more dead babies .... Sounds like a winner to me ...
 

ranchkid

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What's disturbing about it? Dead homos and rapists and adulterers ... no more dead babies .... Sounds like a winner to me ...

Fine example of Christian charity there.

Oh, wait, sending a gay man to hell (since in your judgemental world that's what's going to happen) is what he had coming, right?

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And - aren't those of you who are serving in the military or public office sworn to uphold the Constitution? What happened to your oath? Or is it tossed out like just another lie when an "attractive" alternative from Enyart comes along?
 

GuySmiley

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Fine example of Christian charity there.

Oh, wait, sending a gay man to hell (since in your judgemental world that's what's going to happen) is what he had coming, right?
Are you a Christian? You don't think gay men deserve hell? How about murderers and rapists? How about any unsaved person in existence? Does anyone deserve hell?
 

Sierrasam

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What's disturbing about it? Dead homos and rapists and adulterers ... no more dead babies .... Sounds like a winner to me ...

So you're also good with flogging a woman who dresses a bit sexy? Or if you smash your thumb and yell f-k you get flogged? read the code.

"Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress"

Who gets to interpet what a "suggestive dress" is?
 

ranchkid

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Are you a Christian? You don't think gay men deserve hell? How about murderers and rapists? How about any unsaved person in existence? Does anyone deserve hell?

Yes I am a Christian. However, I do not ascribe to the astonishingly judgemental brand of Taliban Christianity practiced by some on this site and, what's more, I'm confident that you'll find out when the time comes that Jesus doesn't view it particularly highly, as well.

This site has been interesting reading. Interesting, and disturbing. What's disturbing to me is that so many of you are so wholly comfortable in your judgementalism, so wholly comfortable in dismissing another human being based on their genetics (homosexuality) or circumstances of birth (Moslems, Hindus, or others not born and raised in a Christian country). Dismissing AND in your judgement sending them to hell.

When did YOU become the arbiter of who goes to hell or not? When did you usurp that job from GOD?
 

WaltzingMatilda

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What's disturbing about it? Dead homos and rapists and adulterers ... no more dead babies .... Sounds like a winner to me ...


So..... what happens when our pastors and our "representatives" turn out to be homo's? Do we forgive them and allow them to repent or do we make them "Dead homos"?:execute:
 

Stripe

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Fine example of Christian charity there. Oh, wait, sending a gay man to hell (since in your judgemental world that's what's going to happen) is what he had coming, right?
... riiiiight ... and?

So you're also good with flogging a woman who dresses a bit sexy? Or if you smash your thumb and yell f-k you get flogged? read the code. "Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress"
You'd be really stupid to do either of those then.

Who gets to interpet what a "suggestive dress" is?
A legally appointed judge... why?

So..... what happens when our pastors and our "representatives" turn out to be homo's? Do we forgive them and allow them to repent or do we make them "Dead homos"?:execute:
.. yeeeesssss .. and?
 

ranchkid

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So, Stipe, have you ever served in the military or otherwise taken an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States?
 

Racy Woodblock

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I'm not very up on my religions (which is partly why i joined here) but there sure seems to be some pretty strong hate from some Christians on here. Why is that? So much of it seems to be directed towards gays, too. While, i am not gay, i don't understand all the hatred.
 

WaltzingMatilda

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... riiiiight ... and?


You'd be really stupid to do either of those then.


A legally appointed judge... why?


.. yeeeesssss .. and?

So, what do you do if one of those "judges" is a closet homo, and lets all of his homo buddies off the hook and gets them appointed to judgeships too, and then they let all their homo buddies off, and get them appointed to judgeships....??

Is there a homo test? How do you REALLY know???
 

Frith

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Are you a Christian? You don't think gay men deserve hell? How about murderers and rapists? How about any unsaved person in existence? Does anyone deserve hell?

What if they are saved? Suppose a saved person engages in homosexuality, then what?
 

Frith

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So Stipe, since you seem to be defending this type of system. Can you please explain how this system works with Christianity and the prinicple's of mercy and forgiveness? :chew:
 

Sierrasam

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What if they are saved? Suppose a saved person engages in homosexuality, then what?

So Stipe, since you seem to be defending this type of system. Can you please explain how this system works with Christianity and the prinicple's of mercy and forgiveness? :chew:
It would appear that there is no provision for mercy or forgiveness. Or if you are saved.

The “code” makes no provision for being a Christian. Just like OT times. :thumb:

http://shadowgov.com/Constitution/Am...minalCode.html

You shall not commit adultery. Judges will execute those convicted of bestiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16); those convicted of incest including with in-laws (Lev. 11-12, 14-15, 17, 19-21); of homosexual acts (Lev. 18:22, 29; 20:13);
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