what is most wrong with the Republican party?

[PureX]

More and more I feel that there is only one party operating in America at the highest levels. That party is called "Greed"! And its objective is to serve itself!

Sad to say, Bybee, but it's not just at the highest levels. It's at the lowest and in-between levels, too. Our state governments are no better than the fed, and most of our local governments are no better than the state. The name of the game in business in America, now, is 'bigger profits through government control'.

In my town, the local developers and construction people (the bigger ones, of course) routinely choose from among their own who they want to run for key public offices, and then they put their considerable money and influence behind that candidate. And that candidate usually wins because people vote based on their own economic well-being, and a lot of people depend on these developers and their construction projects for work and related income.

So having installed their own people in the key decision-making positions in the local government, they begin pushing for certain big development projects that will direct millions of tax-payer dollars into the developer's and the construction company's pockets. And the result is that instead of building things the city really needs, we keep rebuilding big-dollar things that the city doesn't really need. Like convention centers that no one comes to, and city arenas that can't pay for themselves. And this has been going on here since the early 1970s, and probably before.

And at the state level it's much the same thing, only the developers and construction companies become corporate CEOs and bank presidents in the state's major cities. And the tax dollars get funneled to them not so much through needless construction projects, but through laws that direct municipalities all across the state to favor those big corporations and banks. There is one big insurance company in my state that has been buying up all the hospitals, doctor's offices and practices, and using them to 'lock out' other insurance providers. So that in my town now, the hospitals and the doctors are owned by one of two insurance companies. And whichever insurance I buy will soon dictate which doctor and hospital I can use. And this is a medium size town. All around the rest of the state there are smaller towns that have only one hospital. When the insurance company buys that hospital, everyone living there will have to buy their health insurance to access their approved doctors and use that hospital.

Clearly, this should be illegal, and may be deemed so, eventually, by the supreme court. But in the meantime, this insurance company will have an absolute monopoly on the health care of people all across the state, and will use it to force them to pay whatever they want. And they'll do it for years until the lawyers and courts finally put a stop to it. That is if they are unable to bribe or otherwise influence the highest judges. Which is becoming more and more possible every day.

And this has all happened because this insurance company controls enough of the state legislature through legalized bribery and campaign contributions to get them to write the laws that support this behavior.

Our whole country is being governed by greed. All the decisions that effect the quality of our lives, both in business and in government, are being made by people who are doing so based on their own economic increase, and not on the well-being of the nation or it's citizens.

We have not elected a president in many decades that was not pre-aproved by the corporate CEOs and big bankers who will be paying for his/her election campaigns. After all, when they're paying for the dance, they get to chose the dance partner. And they do that before we citizens get any say in it at all. So the people we get to vote for are ALL pre-chosen for us by the people who control the money. And this is just as true state and locally as it is nationally. Because the system is the same, and the system is all and only about the money. The primary purpose of nearly every politician in this country, now, is to funnel tax dollars into the pockets of the people who got them elected. And to write laws that will funnel everyone else's money toward them as well.

And we as a people need to wake the hell up, and face this very ugly fact of our current reality, soon. Because it's going to destroy us as a nation if we don't.

 

[republicanchick]

so we are to believe that NO Republican is sincere in what he belives, what he talks about, the bills he sponsors or endorses?

This is so ridiculous.

Do you think absolutely no one in Congress cares about his own integrity? or maybe his salvation? or the truth?


none of them REALLY cares that unborn babies are being murdered?

Yeh, i am tempted to say something about how certain things said against others say more about the accusers than the accused.

maybe?

 

[PureX]

so we are to believe that NO Republican is sincere in what he belives, what he talks about, the bills he sponsors or endorses?

I'm sure there is a very small minority of republicans and democrats in the Congress and the Senate that sincerely try to do their jobs, but you need to understand that a person can't get elected now days without spending a lot of money, and that money has to come from somewhere. Unless one is very wealthy, and can afford to spend millions on his own campaign, he's going to have to get all that money from someone else. And people don't give lots of money to politicians unless they believe they can get something in return that will be of equal or greater value.

Every time some corporation gives a big donation to a candidate, they are not doing it for fun, or because they are patriots. Businesses just don't work that way. They are giving that money to them because they believe they will get something of equal or greater value in return. And what could that possibly be but legislation that will increase their profits: constrain their competition, expand their monopoly, diminish their liability, guarantee them contracts, etc.,.

If you could look at the list of donors for every single member of Congress, and the Senate, you would find that every one of them gets the majority of their campaign money from big corporate donors, all of whom are expecting something of equal or greater value in return. And that something is biased legislation.

This is so ridiculous.

Do you think absolutely no one in Congress cares about his own integrity? or maybe his salvation? or the truth?

People are great at BSing themselves. So I'm sure there are plenty of them who are inventing all sorts of reasons to justify taking money for passing biased laws that harm the country. But all the sophistry on Earth doesn't change the reality of it. And right now, in both the national legislatures and the state legislatures, and in the executive branch from mayors, to governors, to presidents, all their elections are being paid for by big corporate diners who are all expecting, AND GETTING something of equal or greater value in return.

none of them REALLY cares that unborn babies are being murdered?

In politics, these days, those moral issues are mostly just a smoke screen to keep the voters turned against each other, and voting for these bad candidates just to vote against those bad candidates. How many elections has it been, now, that we have voted for this guy just because we hate that guy more? The truth is they are all own in advance by the same corporate diners, and it doesn't matter which guy we vote for, the corporate diners are going to get what they expect to get for their money. And we are paying the price.

Always, regardless, we are paying the price.



Keep in mind that this video aired on '60 Minutes' some years ago, and that things have gotten much worse since this aired …

 

[republicanchick]

I'm And people don't give lots of money to politicians unless they believe they can get something in return that will be of equal or greater value.

They are giving that money to them because they believe they will get something of equal or greater value in return. And what could that possibly be but legislation that will increase their profits: constrain their competition, expand their monopoly, diminish their liability, guarantee them contracts, etc.,.

IfT]

You are far too cynical and i am not buying it that Rs have no real integrity but just want votes. Sure, some of them may be in that category, but not ALL

And what really bothers me here is that you think they are so conniving and self-centered as to only vote for soemthing becasue they have to pay back some donor. That is really something. I say they take money from donors with the thought maybe they can do soemthing for the donor only because they want to do that something or other thing ANYWAY. In other words, if some pro life donor gives $$ to a campaign, the candidate is pro life and wants to do something for that cause anyway.

 

[PureX]

You are far too cynical and i am not buying it that Rs have no real integrity but just want votes. Sure, some of them may be in that category, but not ALL

You don't seem to understand that it isn't just republicans, it's all of them. The democrats are no different. All that's different is their rhetoric. But when the corporate sugar-daddies want the legislation, they all do what their told.

And what really bothers me here is that you think they are so conniving and self-centered as to only vote for soemthing becasue they have to pay back some donor. That is really something. I say they take money from donors with the thought maybe they can do soemthing for the donor only because they want to do that something or other thing ANYWAY.

Except that they take the money in advance of knowing what the donors want.

I can't believe that you're so naive as to imagine that corporations would give politicians big sums of money without expecting to get a return on it. No corporation does that, ever! No one just gives away big piles of money without expecting something in return, and by expecting I mean they are quite sure it will happen. No corporation got that wealthy by throwing away money, or by making bad investments. They KNOW they are going to get what they want, one way or the other. And they contribute to the campaigns of opposing candidates to make sure that whoever wins, their fix is in.

I'm sorry to burst your illusions, but the state of politics in this country is far, far worse than you apparently realize. Legislation is now routinely being written BY THE LOBBYISTS, and then passed unread by the legislators on their payroll, to be passed. Nearly every outgoing congressmen and senator nowadays immediately becomes a lobbyist when they leave office because that's how they collect the bulk of their bribe money. All you have to do is look at the numbers of outgoing legislators who go to work for the very people who they were passing legislation for to see how many of them were being bribed to pass that legislation. And the percentage is very high. It's nearly every one of them.

In other words, if some pro life donor gives $$ to a campaign, the candidate is pro life and wants to do something for that cause anyway.

There is no significant money being donated to anyone's campaign by any "pro-life" lobby. That is not an issue that wealthy individuals and corporations care about. But yes, if it were, you would see legislation being passed in favor of it. You can bet on it!

There isn't going to be any significant legislative changes to the pro-life laws because the people of the nation are divided on the issue, and the courts have ruled, and that's exactly how the people running this country want it to stay. They want us squabbling amongst each other while they rob us all blind. And that's pretty much exactly what they're doing, and have been dong for almost 40 years, now. Though it does get a little worse each passing decade.

 

[republicanchick]

They want us squabbling amongst each other while they rob us all blind. And that's pretty much exactly what they're doing, and have been dong for almost 40 years, now. Though it does get a little worse each passing decade.

I have no doubt that SOME politicians are like that. But you cannot judge another person's motives. And when such things as you describe happen, they should be dealt with; laws should be changed so that bribery is easier to trace or whatever.

In any case, the R arguments on any given topic are ALWAYS the ones that make the most sense TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE morals. I'm sorry but liberals think anything goes, morally speaking. Want to go to bed with someone of the same sex? no probelm. Want to kill a child that you helped bring into existence but now dont want? kill it, no problem.

The Rs care more about what GOD cares about




:FrankiE:

 

[drbrumley]

The Rs care more about what GOD cares about

Huh?

 

[republicanchick]

as someone once said, Dems don't read history books.

Some of them probably do, but then they know that OTHERS do not read them, so they can lie their so and so's off and few will know the difference. And even when Rs do see they are lying (Distort too much and it is Lying), they somehow many times give them a pass. They should never, ever do that.


lain:

 

[Nick M]

as someone once said, Dems don't read history books.

It seems like you don't either. I would think you listen to Rush. Well, listen a little harder. He has been saying for a while now about the RINO leadership and they are not on your side. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

 

[republicanchick]

It seems like you don't either. I would think you listen to Rush. Well, listen a little harder. He has been saying for a while now about the RINO leadership and they are not on your side. .

When did i ever say that all Rs are perfect?

But I know you lefties are into putting conservatives down and thereby distracting them. That doesn't work with me, but keep making yourself look ignorant.. your choice

 

[republicanchick]

wow, i just saw that Nick calls himself a Rightie

gee, if that's what the typical R is, no wonder we have Emperor Obama to deal with

 

[aCultureWarrior]

anyway, i've seen alot of ron paul interviews about TRUE Libertarianism and Volunteerism. way better than capitalism economically. less corruption for sure. it's really the best form of government possible, i think, for the whole world. NOT a one world thing but a Free world. i wish Ron was 25 years younger. but alas, just a dream to have a free-market world economy, where the masses actually control things. the people, like our founders probably envisioned. again, it won't be allowed by power and money. i just feel like my vote doesn't mean much anymore. am i the only one ?:e4e:

This says a lot about you Pat (a Ron Paul Libertarian, based on his posts in other threads, why am I not surprised?).

The US free enterprise system was the best the world had ever seen. Of course you Libertarians want any restrictions removed from the free enterprise system (i.e. property rights in a Libertarian's mind is that they can do anything with their property...houses of prostitution, opium dens...) which would bring about nothing but anarchy.

Correct if I'm wrong Pat.

 

[Nick M]

When did i ever say that all Rs are perfect?

We are not talking about being perfect, nobody brought it up, so why did you defend against it? This is called a strawman tactic. You are fighting against something that isn't fighting. You build it up so you can tear it down.

But I know you lefties are into putting conservatives down and thereby distracting them.

You are an idiot.

 

[bybee]

I have heard a lot of criticism against the R party

what I don't like is that they often do not fight hard enough against really bad Dem ideas.

But they did all vote against Obamacare, so I sometimes wonder why they are overly criticized by those in their own party

Boehner is rather hard to figure out sometimes. Often he seems like a Republican, but sometimes like a RINO

I feel McCain is a rino and a few others. anyway, I am wondering what others think

I'm beginning to think they're all Nancies!

 

[Nick M]

Boehner just spent 1.1 Trillion of your money on mostly socialism. Don't think for one second that Dingy Harry will not agree.

 

[republicanchick]

I'm beginning to think they're all Nancies!

pelosies?

 

[republicanchick]

what's most wrong with the R party:

• Ted Cruz is not the forerunner for 16 (yet)
  
• Boehner
  
• (he's not all bad, but he lets his rino side win a lot)
  
• a lot of the Rs put too much validity on Dem's usually moronic arguments
  
• take too much time arguing moronic arguments like global warming. Yeh, right, winters getting colder every year, more snow than ever, and still spouting off about global warming. :dead:

STUPID

 

[Morpheus]

You are far too cynical and i am not buying it that Rs have no real integrity but just want votes. Sure, some of them may be in that category, but not ALL

And what really bothers me here is that you think they are so conniving and self-centered as to only vote for soemthing becasue they have to pay back some donor. That is really something. I say they take money from donors with the thought maybe they can do soemthing for the donor only because they want to do that something or other thing ANYWAY. In other words, if some pro life donor gives $$ to a campaign, the candidate is pro life and wants to do something for that cause anyway.

In the final moments, late at night, Congressional Republicans added two riders to the recent omnibus budget bill. One repealed many of the recent protections from Dodd-Frank as a gift to Wall Street lobbyists. And what does Congress get in return? Individual donor limits were raised from $194,400 to $1.5 million per each 2-year election cycle. In the old days they would have called it bribery, but nowadays it's only "free speech".

And yes, several Democrats voted to allow both riders too.

 

[PureX]

In the final moments, late at night, Congressional Republicans added two riders to the recent omnibus budget bill. One repealed many of the recent protections from Dodd-Frank as a gift to Wall Street lobbyists. And what does Congress get in return? Individual donor limits were raised from $194,400 to $1.5 million per each 2-year election cycle. In the old days they would have called it bribery, but nowadays it's only "free speech".

And yes, several Democrats voted to allow both riders too.

The republican party is and has always been the party of the rich. They exist to serve and protect those who have wealth and power. Religious conservatives are completely hoodwinked and deluded in thinking that the republican party has ever cared about them or their moral issues. They simply use them to win elections, and then they continue to serve the wealthy and powerful as they have always done.

This is a perfect example of it.

 

[Quincy]

I've often thought of getting into politics and running a con job on all the special interest groups and rich people. Use their money to get elected and then start doing things for the people and not the ones who financed me. I'd love that, get that secret service detail and then tell all those chumps goodbye. The look on their faces would be priceless.

I honestly think Rand Paul is capable of doing that. I don't believe he is a Republican.