What happens at death??

Letsargue

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Letsargue,

My reflection here is simply that death is not the end. The righteous and the unrighteous will be resurrected. Our fate may be different, but all will be resurrected.

(The wicked experience the second death) -- What is the second death?

Untellectual



Revelation 21:8 KJV -

Paul -- 071112
 

Gurucam

Well-known member
Letsargue,

My reflection here is simply that death is not the end. The righteous and the unrighteous will be resurrected. Our fate may be different, but all will be resurrected.

(The wicked experience the second death) -- What is the second death?

Untellectual

Revelation 21:8 KJV -

Paul -- 071112

Right on. Thank you.


Revelations 21:8 KJV is aided by Revelations: 21:5 to 7:

21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Jesus who sits on the throne has made all thing New. It is a done deal. This means that He has put a New order in place and dismissed the Old order. This New order (i.e. the New Testament) will make All thing New.

However it is not a free gift and it is not for everyone, because only those who overcome shall inherit all things. (i.e. inherit all thing including earth in God's kingdom of heaven)

Seems that those who do not overcome are "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars" Seems that, when they die physically, they will stay within the bowels of earth (which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone).

This is their sad predicament: They were dead spiritually when they were physically alive on earth (i.e. their first death) and now after their physical death (i.e. the death of their physical body) they dies the second time. Then being dead both spiritually and physically, they will be totally dead and they will stay within the bowels of earth which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.

What is therefore the only thing to focus on here is how to overcome. Revelations: 21verse: 7 speaks of overcoming, in order to be made New through Jesus and inherit all thing, including earth when God's kingdom of heaven descend here fully.

This is the overcoming of one's first death. One's first death is the death of one's spirit. One's spirit is dead to one because it is covered over. It is waxed gross. Therefore overcoming one's first death means that one must no longer have a heart or spirit which is waxed gross (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). That is one must become spiritually aware, or aware of one's spirit side. Then one will not longer be spiritually dead. One would have overcome one's spiritual death. However this alone will not save and deliver one into heaven.

The path to stop having a heart which is waxed gross is the path to self discovery. It involves drooping one's conscience. That is one must come to intuitive awareness that All ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity are anchors in foolishness with God. Then one will realize that one is on earth to have absolute liberty, freedom and fulfillment. Having achieved this awareness one will seek guidance which incorporates the materializing and fulfillment of all of one's desires in a manner that is perfectly harmonious. This is where one will be brought into awareness of Jesus in His Spirit within one's own heart or spirit.

Jesus incorporates one's desires in the finest details (with out regard for any social, moral or religious ideal or law) at the level of one's own spirit and the will of God and provide a path which one must take. This path is discerned by each person as precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do, as discerned within his own heart or spirit.

So the next step is: one will search one's heart to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do and be led into one's works by precisely this, even if one has to transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. This is described as obedience onto righteousness. (However one must uphold the laws of the land.) This is how Jesus makes all things New. That is, by leading His charges through His Spirit which they discern within their own hearts or spirits.

Have you overcome? Will you be in communion with Jesus through His Spirit from within your own (de- waxed gross) heart when you die physically? Will you be in communion with Jesus in this manner so that He will separate you, in three day, from your dead physical body and guide you to rise to be like an angel heaven or will you die a second time and be left to sink to the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone to wait on some, far off, undisclosed future date on the call of Jesus?

If you are still waiting for the return of Jesus in a physical body you have totally missed the boat. You have not overcome. You are not among the things which Jesus made New. You are not aware that Jesus already came the second time, in His Spirit.

The New Testament (or new way) is about living though spirit to Spirit awareness, knowledge and guidance. This is to be led into one's carnal and other activities by the unseen Spirit of Jesus which is eternal, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit. When one is practiced in doing this whiles one has a physical body on earth, one will over come the dark dept of earth when one dies physically. When such a one looses his physical body at the time of earthly dead, he will still have his spirit and he will continue to have communion with, knowledge and guidance from, Jesus through His Spirit, through his own spirit. He will not be dead when he dies. He will remain alive or aware through His spirit or heart (because he made it no longer waxed gross or covered over whiles he was alive in a physical body on earth). Then, even after physical death, Jesus through His Spirit will guide and lead him out of his dead physical body and up, to rise to be an angel in heaven.

One who does not achieve for himself, a heart which is not waxed gross, cannot have communion, in the above manner, with Jesus who now sits in heaven, next to God, in His Spirit. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into their hearts. Those who are still looking for the return of Jesus in a physical human body cannot and do not have this communion with Jesus in His Spirit. They will have the second death and remain within earth. i.e. in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone

God sent Jesus the second time only in His Spirit. Jesus make all thing new by operating through His Spirit. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7) if they embrace Jesus in their spirit and led by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, then they differ in no way from Jesus. Children of God are those in Christ. They are like Jesus as He was on earth in a physical body. That is, when they die they rise in three day to be like angels in heaven.

When unaware people do not make this passage from unawareness to spiritual awareness in their life time, they retain no awareness when they die physically. They die unaware of their spirits. Then their physical death is quite literally their second death. Then in their unaware state they are dragged or carried down to the depths of earth (which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone) with their decomposing physical body​
 
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keypurr

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What is the state of the Dead?

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

All will be raised

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurre2ction of damnation.

Peace
 

Gurucam

Well-known member
What is the state of the Dead?

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Peace

This speaks of life on earth in a physical body. The Spiritually aware, i.e. those who alive to their spirits (the living) know that the spiritually dead (the dead) will die totally when they loose their physical body at the time of earthly death. The spiritually dead has nothing to make them return to life. They have sewed no memory which will enable them to return any where to life and to live.

However the spiritually dead do not know that they will die. They do not know that this will be their predicament.

When the spiritually dead die physically they will leave no memory (in their own consciousness) of their current physical life. These memory are need to create and sustain their spirits which lives on after earthly death. Their spirits are the seed for their continuing existence. Without this seed, there is no spirit, they will have no individual identity and Jesus and God will not know them as individuals.

The spiritually dead are those who are not aware of their spirits (their deeper side) while they live on earth in a physical body. They have no communion with their own spirits. They are not led by their own spirits. They do not experience things with their spirits. Therefore they are not nurturing and developing their spirit which is their eternal side, also called their inward man.

They live and are led only supper-facially, that is only in the physical. They are led only by their physical urgings and their own intellectual ideas and the intellectual ideas of others. Their motives and actions and experiences are never deep enough to connect with, forge and/or improve their spirits. Their motives, actions and experiences do not leave any impressions on their spirits. One's spirit records and is forged from one's motives, actions and experience whiles one live on earth. This is how one takes things from earth and carry it forward when one dies, physically. This is how one has a 'signature' in the spirit world when one has no physical body. Without this there is no memory of one as an individual entity. One's record of one's earthly experiences are stored in one's spirit and this provide the drive which helps one remain an individual with the desire to return to earth.

One's eternal individual identity results from forging, creating and sustaining of one's spirit, whiles one lives on earth. This is forged, created and sustained from the impression that are left on one's consciousness from one's experiences on earth and elsewhere in the creation. This enables a memory of one remains after one's physical death, so that one can live on and not simply be literally dead when one dies physically. With out this reaffirming and recreating of one's own spirit there is no memory of one. There is no record of one. One dies unregistered and unrecognized (as an individual person) to Jesus and God. One has no mark or presence.

Have awareness of one's spirit is described as having a heart that is not waxed gross. Being led by one's own spirit is to live according to one's eternal or (unseen) side. Being in Christ is the art of living according to precisely what one's own spirit has in mind for one to say and do, under the organization of Jesus.

Jesus makes intercession, through His Spirit, for the spiritually aware, with God, according to the ideas, beliefs, desires, aspirations of one's individual spirit and come up with the path that one should follow. When the spiritually aware search their individual hearts to know precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do and they are led into all their works by this, they are 'in Christ', they are children of God, they are under grace of God, God is for them no man can touch them, they are glorified by God, they live in God's kingdom of heaven. Jesus knows them and confesses them to God and God also knows them. They have a memory. A memory of their presence is registered and sustained to Jesus and God.

Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

All will be raised

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurre2ction of damnation.

Peace

 
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Letsargue

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Revelations:

21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Jesus who sits on the throne has made all thing New. It is a done deal. This means that He has put a New order in place and dismissed the Old order. This New order (i.e. the New Testament) will make All thing New.

However it is not a free gift and it is not for everyone, because only those who overcome shall inherit all things. (i.e. inherit all thing including earth in God's kingdom of heaven)

Seems that those who do not overcome are "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars" Seems that, when they die physically, they will stay within the bowels of earth (which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone).

This is their sad predicament: They were dead spiritually when they were physically alive on earth (i.e. their first death) and now after their physical death (i.e. the death of their physical body) they dies the second time. Then being dead both spiritually and physically, they will be totally dead and they will stay within the bowels of earth which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.

What is therefore the only thing to focus on here is how to overcome. Revelations: 21verse: 7 speaks of overcoming, in order to be made New through Jesus and inherit all thing, including earth when God's kingdom of heaven descend here fully.

This is the overcoming of one's first death. One's first death is the death of one's spirit. One's spirit is dead to one because it is covered over. It is waxed gross. Therefore overcoming one's first death means that one must no longer have a heart or spirit which is waxed gross (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). That is one must become spiritually aware, or aware of one's spirit side. Then one will not longer be spiritually dead. One would have overcome one's spiritual death. However this alone will not save and deliver one into heaven.

The path to stop having a heart which is waxed gross is the path to self discovery. It involves drooping one's conscience. That is one must come to intuitive awareness that All ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity are anchors in foolishness with God. Then one will realize that one is on earth to have absolute liberty, freedom and fulfillment. Having achieved this awareness one will seek guidance which incorporates the materializing and fulfillment of all of one's desires in a manner that is perfectly harmonious. This is where one will be brought into awareness of Jesus in His Spirit within one's own heart or spirit.

Jesus incorporates one's desires in the finest details (with out regard for any social, moral or religious ideal or law) at the level of one's own spirit and the will of God and provide a path which one must take. This path is discerned by each person as precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do, as discerned within his own heart or spirit.

So the next step is: one will search one's heart to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do and be led into one's works by precisely this, even if one has to transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. This is described as obedience onto righteousness. (However one must uphold the laws of the land.) This is how Jesus makes all things New. That is, by leading His charges through His Spirit which they discern within their own hearts or spirits.

Have you overcome? Will you be in communion with Jesus through His Spirit from within your own (de- waxed gross) heart when you die physically? Will you be in communion with Jesus in this manner so that He will separate you, in three day, from your dead physical body and guide you to rise to be like an angel heaven or will you die a second time and be left to sink to the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone to wait on some, far off, undisclosed future date on the call of Jesus?

If you are still waiting for the return of Jesus in a physical body you have totally missed the boat. You have not overcome. You are not among the things which Jesus made New. You are not aware that Jesus already came the second time, in His Spirit.

The New Testament (or new way) is about living though spirit to Spirit awareness, knowledge and guidance. This is to be led into one's carnal and other activities by the unseen Spirit of Jesus which is eternal, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit. When one is practiced in doing this whiles one has a physical body on earth, one will over come the dark dept of earth when one dies physically. When such a one looses his physical body at the time of earthly dead, he will still have his spirit and he will continue to have communion with, knowledge and guidance from, Jesus through His Spirit, through his own spirit. He will not be dead when he dies. He will remain alive or aware through His spirit or heart (because he made it no longer waxed gross or covered over whiles he was alive in a physical body on earth). Then, even after physical death, Jesus through His Spirit will guide and lead him out of his dead physical body and up, to rise to be an angel in heaven.

One who does not achieve for himself, a heart which is not waxed gross, cannot have communion, in the above manner, with Jesus who now sits in heaven, next to God, in His Spirit. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into their hearts. Those who are still looking for the return of Jesus in a physical human body cannot and do not have this communion with Jesus in His Spirit. They will have the second death and remain within earth. i.e. in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone

God sent Jesus the second time only in His Spirit. Jesus make all thing new by operating through His Spirit. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7) if they embrace Jesus in their spirit and led by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, then they differ in no way from Jesus. Children of God are those in Christ. They are like Jesus as He was on earth in a physical body. That is, when they die they rise in three day to be like angels in heaven.

When unaware people do not make this passage from unawareness to spiritual awareness in their life time, they retain no awareness when they die physically. They die unaware of their spirits. Then their physical death is quite literally their second death. Then in their unaware state they are dragged or carried down to the depths of earth (which is the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone) with their decomposing physical body​


Your thing is too long to read all of it. - We don’t have the time to read everyone’s (( Rambling on and on )) with just a little of something being said.

A person comes into that world spiritually dead; - they don’t die some time after their birth, -- they are born in ( Darkness / Dead to God, alive to the flesh )!! - The Soul that one is born with is the Soul of the Devil, or Satan. - Until the time that one reaches the age of understanding, and rejects the Truth they don’t die; - they just simply remain dead. However, if they understand the Gospel, and obey the Gospel, ( “THEN” ) they are Resurrected, or Quickened, or come out of darkness, or received eternal Life, or Translated into the Kingdom of Christ, or as some say, Born Again, a New Creature. - The old dies to the body, or the flesh, ( “Forced out” ) - by the Light / Truth / Word of God / Gospel / “Christ” casting out the evil spirit, or devil, or demon, or the Devil’s angel, - and you become a totally different creature that has been from the beginning.
The second death is the Lake of Fire, -- and right now, All who are on the earth that you are on, are (( In that Lake of Fire NOW )); Or else ( How can this be done )??? >>- Jude 1:23 KJV – That cannot be done unless all things are fulfilled, and ( OVER )!!

Paul – 071212
 

Letsargue

New member
What is the state of the Dead?

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion forever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

All will be raised

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurre2ction of damnation.

Peace



What's all that??????? - You didn't even answer your own question, - (( What is the state of the dead?? ))!!! - We can (( READ ))!!, so what do ( You think ) the state of the dead is?? - God does not say what the ( State is )!! - Soo now you tell us all just what that "IS" with your great wisdom!!!

Paul -- 071212
 

Gurucam

Well-known member
Your thing is too long to read all of it. - We don’t have the time to read everyone’s (( Rambling on and on )) with just a little of something being said.

A person comes into that world spiritually dead; - they don’t die some time after their birth, -- they are born in ( Darkness / Dead to God, alive to the flesh )!! - The Soul that one is born with is the Soul of the Devil, or Satan. - Until the time that one reaches the age of understanding, and rejects the Truth they don’t die; - they just simply remain dead. However, if they understand the Gospel, and obey the Gospel, ( “THEN” ) they are Resurrected, or Quickened, or come out of darkness, or received eternal Life, or Translated into the Kingdom of Christ, or as some say, Born Again, a New Creature. - The old dies to the body, or the flesh, ( “Forced out” ) - by the Light / Truth / Word of God / Gospel / “Christ” casting out the evil spirit, or devil, or demon, or the Devil’s angel, - and you become a totally different creature that has been from the beginning.
The second death is the Lake of Fire, -- and right now, All who are on the earth that you are on, are (( In that Lake of Fire NOW )); Or else ( How can this be done )??? >>- Jude 1:23 KJV – That cannot be done unless all things are fulfilled, and ( OVER )!!

Paul – 071212

One's spiritual death, even if inherited from the fallen Adam (and one come to earth that way), is one's first death.

If as you say, one does not come to earth spiritually aware and then dies spiritually, then it must be that one comes to earth spiritually dead. That means thatone comes to earth with a first death.

Won't you say so.

Then when one's physical body dies that must be a second death.

However it seems that Jesus provided a path through which one can over come one's spiritual death. The idea is for one to overcomes the death of one's spirit whiles one is a human on earth. Then when one's physical body dies one will not be twice dead because one's spirit will remain alive. Then under the guidance of Jesus in His Spirit (as discerned within one's own heart or spirit) one can rise to be like an angel in heaven . . . such a one is saved and delivered.

If one does not overcome the death of one spirit while one is a human on earth (one is already half dead). Then, when one's physical body dies, that would be one's second death. That will be the death or their second half. With one's spirit dead and one's physical body dead, one is totally dead, like in a coma. That is, one looses total awareness. One does not separate from one's decaying physical body. The result is that one sinks to the depths of earth with one's decomposing physical body. There is no rising to heaven, in three day, to be like an angel in heaven for such a person.

Both one's physical body and spirit (body) will be dead and one will be totally unaware within the depth of earth. Then may be at some undisclosed future date (that is still to come?), Jesus may come and shout to such a person so that he may rise out of the ground in his spirits, so that his spirits might be saved in that day of our Lord Jesus, in accordance with 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5. That is if Satan/Peter was successful in having that person stop blaspheming in accordance with 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5. However all that can and will be the saved at that time will be his spirit. There can and will be no salvation and deliverance for that person, at that time.​
 
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keypurr

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What's all that??????? - You didn't even answer your own question, - (( What is the state of the dead?? ))!!! - We can (( READ ))!!, so what do ( You think ) the state of the dead is?? - God does not blem what the ( State is )!! - Soo now you tell us all just what that "IS" with your great wisdom!!!

Paul -- 071212


Yes I did, the dead know nothing. That answers it all. Not my wisdom. God's.
The dead are sleeping waiting for Christ to return.
 

Letsargue

New member
Yes I did, the dead know nothing. That answers it all. Not my wisdom. God's.
The dead are sleeping waiting for Christ to return.


Everything is just clear cut, and there is never any more Truth that can be said about your great wisdom of everything; - is that it???

Well, - the (((( Spiritually Dead )))); -- those who are (( Dead in sin )), know not anything of (( God )), and that is the knowing of ( Nothing )!! – Does that mean that they are Physically Dead??? – NO!! – It just means that you take everything at face value, on your own foolishness, and unbelief, and ( lack of Knowledge )!!!!

God or Christ hardly ever speak in carnal terms, but in “Parables” ((((( Of the Spiritual ))))), and every fool thinks everything in the carnal, and not the Truth of the Spirit. – You ( People ) forget, or simply ( deny ) that Christ, and God ( don’t even ”KNOW” that the spiritually dead, or the Lost even exist, or from where they are; but You do, that’s for sure!!! – Luke 13:27 KJV --- Now hold to your so called ~knowledge~!!!

Paul – 071212
 

keypurr

Well-known member
Everything is just clear cut, and there is never any more Truth that can be said about your great wisdom of everything; - is that it???

Well, - the (((( Spiritually Dead )))); -- those who are (( Dead in sin )), know not anything of (( God )), and that is the knowing of ( Nothing )!! – Does that mean that they are Physically Dead??? – NO!! – It just means that you take everything at face value, on your own foolishness, and unbelief, and ( lack of Knowledge )!!!!

God or Christ hardly ever speak in carnal terms, but in “Parables” ((((( Of the Spiritual ))))), and every fool thinks everything in the carnal, and not the Truth of the Spirit. – You ( People ) forget, or simply ( deny ) that Christ, and God ( don’t even ”KNOW” that the spiritually dead, or the Lost even exist, or from where they are; but You do, that’s for sure!!! – Luke 13:27 KJV --- Now hold to your so called ~knowledge~!!!

Paul – 071212

If you have a problem with what is written I suggest you that you take It up with the author. My wisdom is not like his.
 

Letsargue

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If you have a problem with what is written I suggest you that you take It up with the author. My wisdom is not like his.


You didn't have to tell me that, However, (( We )) have the mind of Christ!! - Is Christ void of any knowledge?? --- Well, you can't know that!!

Paul -- 071212
 

Gurucam

Well-known member
Everything is just clear cut, and there is never any more Truth that can be said about your great wisdom of everything; - is that it???

Well, - the (((( Spiritually Dead )))); -- those who are (( Dead in sin )), know not anything of (( God )), and that is the knowing of ( Nothing )!! – Does that mean that they are Physically Dead??? – NO!! – It just means that you take everything at face value, on your own foolishness, and unbelief, and ( lack of Knowledge )!!!!

God or Christ hardly ever speak in carnal terms, but in “Parables” ((((( Of the Spiritual ))))), and every fool thinks everything in the carnal, and not the Truth of the Spirit. – You ( People ) forget, or simply ( deny ) that Christ, and God ( don’t even ”KNOW” that the spiritually dead, or the Lost even exist, or from where they are; but You do, that’s for sure!!! – Luke 13:27 KJV --- Now hold to your so called ~knowledge~!!!

Paul – 071212

Letsargue the write is long. However if I write it any shorter, I will be defying precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for me to pray for say and do, as discerned within my own heart or spirit.

Letsargue, you said: " . . . Well, - the (((( Spiritually Dead )))); -- those who are (( Dead in sin )), know not anything of (( God )), and that is the knowing of ( Nothing )!! – Does that mean that they are Physically Dead??? – NO!! . . . . "

Indeed No! It does not mean that they are physically Dead. It means that they are spiritually dead, i.e. they are under their first death (i.e. even of it was destine from before their were born). It means that when their physical body dies they are under a second death.

Don't you know that all humans have a 'natural man' (i.e their physical body) and an inward man (i.e. their spirit body). There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body (re. 1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 44) . . . do you listen? Do you know that the natural man is you your physical body it is made of the things from earth. Your spirit body is your inward man. It is made from the fabric of heaven (re. 1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 47). Do you not know that Adan fell form grace when he stop being led by the Spirit of Jesus as discerned within his own heart and then he lost awareness of his Spirit body or inward man? He became 'dead with in'.

Do you know that one is required to be aware of both and function normally through both even when one is alive as a human on earth. 'Spiritually dead' means that one is not aware of his inward man and therefore cannot function though it. That is his spirit or inward man is dead to him. Such a one can function only though his natural man or physical body. He cannot have communion with the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts or spirits of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7). This means that unless one over comes one's spirit death one cannot have communion with Jesus and one cannot become a child of God. One would not be know to Jesus and Jesus cannot confess one to God. One is literally dead to Jesus and God. One knows nothing. One remains a child of the flesh. One is 'the dead' in Jesus statement 'let the dead bury their dead'. Such a one is sent to Peter.

. . . So forget all the idea of repeating slogans in churches. The path to salvation and deliverance starts with becoming spiritually aware. It start with loosing the waxed gross covering over one's own heart or spirit (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). This is the only way that you will be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16).

Only then can you or anyone else, discern and have communion with Jesus, in His Spirit. Now (as from 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17). The Lord is no longer the laws or the physical Jesus or the scriptures or anything that is 'seen' and temporal. The Lord is now (as from 2000 odd years ago), totally unseen and eternal. The Lord is Jesus in His Spirit. You have to discern Him in His Spirit within your own heart or spirit or inward man. Therefore your heart or spirit or inward man cannot be waxed gross (covered over). You have to overcome the waxed gross-ness of your heart or spirit or inward man (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). Only then can you or anyone else move forward.

Don't you know that some people differ in no way from Jesus? They are the New people. Those are the ones are not spiritually dead and in communion with and are led by, the Spirit of Jesus within their own hearts or spirit. They are the ones 'in Christ'. When they die physically the rise in three days, to be like like angels in heaven. 'To be like angels' means that they rise to heaven in their spirits or spirit bodies or inward man (call it which ever way).

You seem to be aware of only those other type of people, i.e. the Old people. Those who have not overcome their spiritual death. Their spirit are still dead to them. When they die physically they sink with their degrading physical body to the depths of earth waiting for Jesus to redeem them with his call at some future undisclosed time.

Those who have not overcome their spirit death are blasphemers. They are sent to Peter who was identified to be Satan. Satan/Peter is given by Jesus and God to stop the blaspheming ways of such people, so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5). The day of our Lord Jesus is the day when He come to shout out to them in their graves, (in the hot depths of earth), so that they might rise in their spirit and their spirits may be saved. However this is not salvation and deliverance.

It is O.K. if [size=+1]you and Keypurr[/size] see your self as Old people (i.e. under Peter's commission). That is acceptable.

However do not seek to convince others that there are no New People who are under Paul's commission and different from you all.

Peter's commission and Paul's commission are not the same. It was the trick of Satanic Peter to promote that his commission and Paul's commission were the same. That was simply Satan speaking. That is not Truth. That is the voice and vice of a false prophet who came in Jesus' name, in Peter's Satanic style. He has misguided the very great majority (all but a few) of those called to what passes for Christianity. They have all erred and will continue to err, because they do not know Truth. They have not been chosen and they will not be chosen.

Wake up and smell the aroma of Truth, now, before too late will be your cry.​
 
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Letsargue

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Letsargue, you said: " . . . Well, - the (((( Spiritually Dead )))); -- those who are (( Dead in sin )), know not anything of (( God )), and that is the knowing of ( Nothing )!! – Does that mean that they are Physically Dead??? – NO!! . . . . "

Indeed No! It does not mean that they are physically Dead. It means that they are spiritually dead, i.e. they are under their first death (i.e. even of it was destine from before their were born). It means that when their physical body dies they are under a second death.

Don't you know that all humans have a 'natural man' (i.e their physical body) and an inward man (i.e. their spirit body). And one is required to be aware of both and function normally through both even when one is alive as a human on earth. 'Spiritually dead' means that one is not aware of his inward man and therefore cannot function though it. That is his spirit or inward man is dead to him. Such a one can function only though his natural man or physical body. He cannot have communion with the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts or spirits of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 4 to 7). This means that unless one over comes one's spirit death one cannot have communion with Jesus and one cannot become a child of God. One would not be know to Jesus and Jesus cannot confess one to God. One is literally dead to Jesus and God. One knows nothing. One remains a child of the flesh. One is 'the dead' in Jesus statement 'let the dead bury their dead'. Such a one is sent to Peter.

. . . So forget all the idea of repeating slogans in churches. The path to salvation and deliverance starts with becoming spiritually aware. It start with loosing the waxed gross covering over one's own heart or spirit (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). This is the only way that you will be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16).

Only then can you or anyone else, discern and have communion with Jesus, in His Spirit. Now (as from 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17). The Lord is no longer the laws or the physical Jesus or the scriptures or anything that is 'seen' and temporal. The Lord is now (as from 2000 odd years ago), totally unseen and eternal. The Lord is Jesus in His Spirit. You have to discern Him in His Spirit within your own heart or spirit or inward man. Therefore your heart or spirit or inward man cannot be waxed gross (covered over). You have to overcome the waxed gross-ness of your heart or spirit or inward man (re. Matthews: 13 verse: 10 to 16). Only then can you or anyone else move forward.

Don't you know that some people differ in no way from Jesus? They are the New people. Those are the ones are not spiritually dead and in communion with and are led by, the Spirit of Jesus within their own hearts or spirit. They are the ones 'in Christ'. When they die physically the rise in three days, to be like like angels in heaven. 'To be like angels' means that they rise to heaven in their spirits, spirit bodies or inward man.

You seem to be aware of only those other type of people, i.e. the Old people. Those who have not overcome their spiritual death. Their spirit are still dead to them. When they die physically they sink with their degrading physical body to the depths of earth waiting for Jesus to redeem them with his call at some future undisclosed time.

Those who have not overcome their spirit death are blasphemers. They are sent to Peter who was identified to be Satan. Satan/Peter is given by Jesus and God to stop the blaspheming ways of such people, so that their spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus (re. 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5). The day of our Lord Jesus is the day when He come to shout out to them in their graves, (in the hot depths of earth), so that they might rise in their spirit and their spirits may be saved. However this is not salvation and deliverance.

It is O.K. if you and Keypurr see your self as Old people (i.e. under Peter's commission). That is acceptable.

However do not seek to convince others that there are no New People who are under Paul's commission and different from you all.​



Just look at all this foolish nonsense!!!

I was not talking about the carnal dead!! -- ((( I know that the carnal dead is dead )))!!!!!!!! -- What a smart guy!!!

The Carnal dead is (( ONLY )) A (( "Parable" )) of the "Spiritual dead"!!
Now write ten pages to answer this, and waste space!!!!!!

Paul -- 071312
 

Gurucam

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You didn't have to tell me that, However, (( We )) have the mind of Christ!! - Is Christ void of any knowledge?? --- Well, you can't know that!!

Paul -- 071212

Having the mind of Christ does not mean that you know everything.

It mean that you function like Jesus functioned when he was a man on earth.

How did Jesus function? What mind did Jesus have and displayed?

The example is simple. Jesus functioned as a child of God. Jesus was led by His Spirit. Jesus savor the things that are of God. He always did the will of God. He never advanced that He understood God's request or that He knew all things. He simply followed His Spirit which was always in line with the will of God.

On the other hand Peter functioned as Satan (i.e. a child of the flesh). Peter was led by his physical side. Peter was led by his own intellectualizing as done through his physical brain. Peter savored the things that are of man and not the things that are God. Peter's righteousness was of laws and canons etc.and not of the Spirit.

You are not required to do what Jesus did.

Jesus had His unique mission in the body of Christ. You are not expected to have Jesus' mission.

If you are in Christ, you will have a mission in the body of Christ chosen from among the millions of services which are required to keep God's kingdom functioning. Your mission can be as simple as being led into procreative sex, as guided by the Spirit, as discerned within your own hearts, simple to enable children of God who are in heaven to come to earth as first born. As man 'in Christ' you will be required to simply procreate and move on, if so be it, God will take care of the rest through unseen ways.

However if one is not 'in Christ' and one procreates and move on suffering will certainly befall everyone involved including the child and the child will be a child of the flesh.

You do not need to know everything to serve you mission in the body of Christ. However you must be led in the same manner as Jesus was led when he was here in a human physical body. One is Christ is under obedience onto righteousness. One is simply unconditionally obedient to precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart or spirit. One is not required to understand how or why this works or why one is called to do what one was called to do. It simply works to save and deliver one.

One simply, meekly and obediently, with childlike trusting innocence, do what one is called to do by the Spirit and one get not sin. Instead one's life becomes heavenly and one is glorified by God. God is also for one and no one can oppose one or cause one any problem. Indeed Abraham is an example of what is expected of one who is under the Spirit of Jesus. Abraham was called to kill his son and he simply obeyed willingly. He did not seek an explanation nor did he try to discern the righteousness or wisdom of that request. He simply obey unconditionally.

Understanding the wisdom of the request of the Spirit of Jesus and God is for the chosen very few from among those in Christ.

Enlightenment in Christ is a step well beyond simply having the mind of Christ. Although having a mind of Christ is required.

Enlightenment in Christ is where the extra ordinary in Christ, get separated from the ordinary in Christ.

However you need not be concerning your self with Enlightenment in Christ, at this time. You do not seem ready for Hebrews: 6 verses: 1 to 5.​
 
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Letsargue

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So you gather, or think that Paul went on and explained the more “enlightening Truths” from there in: >> (( Hebrews ))??? --- Well Paul ( did not ) – (((( “God did not permit” ))))!! - So you all can make up your own Further Knowledge. - You will not get it from Paul there, or anywhere else in the Scriptures!!! -- Those are some of the Secret things of God that the foolish will never receive!!! - If you have received them, even from the Scriptures, let us all hear what they are!!!

Paul – 071712
 

Gurucam

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So you gather, or think that Paul went on and explained the more “enlightening Truths” from there in: >> (( Hebrews ))??? --- Well Paul ( did not ) – (((( “God did not permit” ))))!! - So you all can make up your own Further Knowledge. - You will not get it from Paul there, or anywhere else in the Scriptures!!! -- Those are some of the Secret things of God that the foolish will never receive!!! - If you have received them, even from the Scriptures, let us all hear what they are!!!

Paul – 071712

This is a concise reply, just for you, Letsargue:

Roman: 14 verse: 14
is a very fundamental mystery of God's creation, revealed in full Glory. Unlike the verses before and after, this message is captioned "I know and I am persuaded by the Lord Jesus". This seeks to convey that 'this one is a special one from Jesus'. It is meant to stand out and alone. It is not to be subjected to context. It is an ultimate stand alone revelation of Truth from Jesus.

You admit that there are many parable in the KJV N.T. Well here is one statement from Paul that is captioned so clearly and specially so as to convey that it is not a parable but an all out stand alone deceleration, by Jesus through Paul, of a most fundamental Truth in Christianity. Yet it is not accepted in its literal presentation, by the unaware.

Indeed, the purity of the message in Romans: 14 verse: 14 will not be accurately discerned by one, unless one has the first fruit of the Spirit. Those who do not have the first fruit of the Spirit are called 'the unawares' or 'the dead' in Jesus' statement "let the dead bury their dead". The first fruit of the Spirit is spiritual awareness, i.e. awareness of one's own spirit or heart. The first fruit of the Spirit is a heart that is not waxed gross (i.e. not covered over. i.e. one who is spiritually aware). The purity of this message will not be visible (or revealed) to one who is not spiritually aware. They will miss, bypass and corrupt all the signs for the accurate discernment of the special message in Romans: 14 verse: 14. The actual message of Truth in this revelations is well beyond what the unawares can perceive to be possible for God. One might say that (like all other Truth) the message here is hidden from the unaware. It will not be released to them because their hearts are waxed gross and they are, therefore, not given not know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 17).

Paul had slowed his discourse to specially caption this specific revelation. Only after the caption, is the message delivered by Paul. The caption is added to make this revelation very different from all others surrounding it. The words are very precise and deliberate. This is the ultimate revelation with respect to right and wrong which forms the basis of the Old Testament or the Old way of seeking God's righteousness. The Old system (the Old Testament) is under laws, commandments, canons, scriptures and the works. The New system (the New Testament) is without any of these Old things which killeth. The divine message in Romans: 14 verse: 14 (which only the spiritually aware will discern) is that all laws, commandments, canons and other tenants of scriptures are (divinely or otherwise) made up and given, for temporarily guiding and managing the unaware in accordance with their individual or collective limited (and unaware) estimations of right and wrong. These concepts of right and wrong meet the unaware at their level of unawareness. They are divinely given to guide and mange the unaware until they become spiritually aware and onto Truth. There is nothing permanent or eternal about the law, commandments, canons, scriptures and the works. When a person becomes spiritually aware and is then given to know Truth, these laws, commandments, canons, scriptures and the works, are all thrown out and the Spirit embraced.

The purity of this message is in its stand alone literal words. The very great majority (all but a few) of those in traditional Christianity do not seek or get the message of enlightenment in this revelation. They are not seeking enlightenment. They are seeking validation for their Old beliefs which are strongly rooted in their heads. They do not come to scriptures with an open heart. They come with a preconditioned (into their head) agenda that is rooted in loyalty to the law, commandments, canons and other tenants of scriptures. So instead of getting the literal message, they corrupt this revelation to suit and prop-up their own law based Moses-ian oriented agenda. These laws based Moses-ians and satanic Peter oriented ideas and beliefs are the waxed gross covering of their heart. Their hearts are waxed gross. Their hearts are covered over by Old Moses-ians ideas, ideals and laws and similar new ones from Satanic Peter & Co.. A waxed gross or covered over heart means that one does not have the first fruit of the Spirit. It means that one is not given to know Truth.

Fact is the purity of the revelation in Romans: 14 verse: 14, is for those with the first fruits of the Spirit. However the purity of this revelations totally by pass the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) in traditional Christianity. Therefore the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) in traditional Christianity have not had the first fruit of the Spirit. They are all not given to know Truth. They are Old people, i.e. people under laws and canons and written scripture etc.. They are under things which 'killeth'. They are not under the Spirit which giveth life.

Here in Romans: 14 verse: 14, after establishing and inserting His caption and His chosen words, Jesus through Paul confirms that nothing is ever morally and spiritually wrong of it self. However a thing become morally and spiritually wrong if anyone or any group esteem that thing to be morally and spiritually wrong. Then that thing becomes morally and spiritually wrong, but only for that person or that group and no one else.

You said: "You will not get it from Paul there, or anywhere else in the Scriptures!!!"

Romans: 14 verse: 14, taken literally, is the final moral and spiritual position. This is the message of enlightenment right there in the KJV N.T. as revealed by Jesus through Paul. It is in the KJV N.T. It says that nothing is right or wrong in any absolute or final manner. Nothing, no action or perceptions is right or wrong in the eyes or reality of God. They are all neutral. They are neither right or wrong. They are all event that must happen in God's creation. It is only man's limited thinking that makes actions or things right or wrong.

The unfortunate truth is that you are not given by God to know this or any other mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven. If you were given to know this Truth, you would not make the statement: "You will not get it from Paul there, or anywhere else in the Scriptures!!!". In your unfortunate state you will distort this revelation to ensure it does not dismiss your belief system under the law. You will do this by ignoring the all encompassing words 'nothing' and 'anything' in this revelations. You will also ignore the all consuming caption which seeks to convey that the statement in this revelation is special stand alone divine declaration from Jesus.

You will do all of this so as to change the literal meaning in this revelation from being applicable to all things, as clearly stated in the caption revelation, to simply being applicable only to food (alone). You will do this because you cannot perceive that the Ten Commandments, the other commandments, Peter's canons and the other ideals in scriptures are not absolute moral and spiritual declarations. You therefore injure and deprive only yourself of Truth, simply because your heart is waxed gross and you are not given to know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 17). You are still under law and so you are not under Grace and being in Christ is not for you (re. Galatians: 5 verse: 1 to 4).

Paul had made the revelations which anchors enlightenment in Christ. They are recorded in the KJV N.T. It is you who are not given or ready to know Truth. It is time for you to awaken. Many in traditional Christianity believe that they are 'something' in Christ. However they are not, they are still under law. They discern wisdom in the law, commandments, canons and the other ideals defined in scriptures. They are therefore under these and they are required to uphold all of these to the letter for their righteousness. They are not under Grace and being in Christ is not for them. Why else would many be called and few chosen? Why else will they distort Romans: 14 verse: 14 to have it not dismiss their beliefs in the law, commandments, canons and the other ideals defined in scriptures.

Indeed it is quite easy and common for traditional Christians to say that they are not under law but under grace. However their actions speaks louder than their words. They (including you) are fooling no one but themselves.
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Added reading only for those who seek more:

The literal declaration of Truth in Romans: 14 verse: 14 applies to all things including the Ten Commandments, the love commandments, canons, etc. even if they were given under God's decree. This does not change the fact that The Ten Commandments were divinely given. It simply confirms that the Ten Commandments are not any absolute or final laws of God. It confirms that these laws were divinely given for a specific purpose and for temporary use. This is also confirmed by many other revelations in the KJV N.T.

The Ten Commandments were divinely given to those under Moses' charge. These were their school master (their guide and manager) until they come onto faith and Christ. Therefore these were given for a specific type of people for temporary use. The Ten Commandments were simply a tool for guiding and managing the physical behavior of people who were not given to know Truth. However when they become given to know Truth these laws are done away with.

More precisely when one overcome (i.e. overcome their waxed grossed heart), one will naturally and spontaneously realize intuitively (from the Spirit through their own heart or spirit) this final Truth which is that: nothing is wrong or right in any absolute manner. They would not have to know this from scriptures. To overcome one's waxed gross heart is to have the first fruit of the Spirit. This is also to be given to know Truth. These revelation in the KJV N.T. are given simply to validate the emerging inner intuitive knowing of those with the first fruits of the Spirit.

Such a person would have been under laws before and in the not so distant past, they would have discerned only wisdom and goodness in those laws, like the Ten Commandments. Now, having awakened from their spirit slumber, they would be intuiting from the Spirit the (new to them) idea that these laws are not as good and as final and as absolute as they first believed.

Paul's message in Romans: 14 verse: 14 is given to fully liberate them from the law and All laws. It is given to validate and support their intuitions of Truth. One who has the first fruits of the Spirit will take Paul's message in Romans: 14 verse: 14 literally as a stand alone deceleration of Truth, because they will already be having insights from the Spirit that this is literally so.

If you cannot discern wisdom in the literal meaning in Romans: 14 verse: 14, then you do yet have the first fruit of the Spirit. This is the acid test. Any doubts (silent, privately or other) about the absolute literal correctness of this revelation is a revelation to you (silent, privately or other) that you do not yet have the first fruit of the Spirit. Most unaware people will limit that revelation to food and argue that context is important, totally ignoring and undermining the caption.

Also when you can 'see', out of your own natural, spontaneous and intuitive volition, the absolute wisdom in the literal words in this verse, only then will the New Testament (the new appraoch to life) be actually open onto you within the pages of the book that is called the KJV N.T.

The message of enlightenment in Christ is indeed within the KJV N.T. However it is even more hidden. It is hidden from those who are not actually enlightened in Christ. It is there only to reveal it self only to those who achieved enlightenment in Christ. It is there only to validate the inner intuitive knowing (from the Spirit) of one who is already enlightened.

The words cannot, on their own, enlighten anyone. Nor can an un-enlighten person, see the gospel of 'enlightenment in Christ' within the writing in the KJV N.T.

For the unaware the book is their first and only source for guidance and knowledge. It is everything for a righteous seeking unaware person.

For the spiritually aware the book is only to validate their inner knowing from the Spirit, at the beginning, when they obtain the first fruit of the Spirit. Eventually the book (the O.T. & N.T.) is naturally and spontaneously discarded as one discard one's preschool books.

There are no books or hard drive storage, in God's kingdom of heaven on earth or else where. All information is available on line, on God's 'unseen' servers and available though God's unseen internet.

The bottom line? Loses the waxed gross covering over you heart. The search your heart for the Spirit of Jesus within. Then obey precisely what this Spirit has in mind for you to pray for, say and do. You will come on to Christ and All things will be added to you, including salvation, deliverance and enlightenment.

How this is achieved is yet another mystery of God's kingdom of heaven which will not be revealed to you until it is right for you to get it. You are urges to stop being a self proclaimed teacher and self proclaimed know-er through simple lettered discernment. That is not possible. That has the makings of false prophets who came in Jesus' name. Drop that foolish pathway and that ego which tells you that you know. Instead become a humble and meek seeker of Truth. Ask and the path shall be told onto you. Knock and it shall be open onto you, right here.​
 
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Letsargue

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You said a lot there, but none of it is confirmed to be any Secret thing that Paul is, or was revealing. - For you to ( just talk ), and give a few Scriptures that do not reveal anything (( New )), that hasn’t been known since Moses; - does not (( Fulfill )) any previous ( Unknown )!!!

Anyhow!!!! – That does not, nor can that prove me wrong on anything!! – Just what’s your point here??? - To prove wrong any lie, or false statement, doesn't take any more than the false statement itself. - SO!! - Come on, and prove me wrong about something!! - Get some help, you have an abundant supply of those of your own kind!!! --- Some of them will disagree with you, and some won't even know what you're talking about, but ((( They all will support you ))), not knowing ( Why )!! That's just who you and they ( Are )!

Paul – 071812
 
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