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ECT What gospel was Paul saved under?
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The first to receive new information/dispensation/gospel directly from Christ/God
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So long as you add the word consciously. Because it was already at work. In fact, Paul said it was back at the arrival of Christ. See what he does with Is 61 in 2 Cor 6:1, which is also back in early Luke.
If you mean God had to grab someone mired in Judaism's eschatology and use of the Promise, then yes, he was perhaps the first to provide a complete overturn as an instructor. But no, if you mean, D'ism is behind God's plans or that the mission to the nations was previously unknown or that there are other gospels. That is not what he's saying about Gal 3:17 and Peter preached the same in his first two.
If you mean God had to grab someone mired in Judaism's eschatology and use of the Promise, then yes, he was perhaps the first to provide a complete overturn as an instructor. But no, if you mean, D'ism is behind God's plans or that the mission to the nations was previously unknown or that there are other gospels. That is not what he's saying about Gal 3:17 and Peter preached the same in his first two.
Eagles Wings
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Agreed.
Eagles Wings
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This is indeed, Good News.
Yes,
the same gospel in effect today, continues throughtout the thousand years (the years of the thousand)
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
LA
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Good point. What is the use of another gospel if there's an everlasting one? And we find this in the Rev, which means it is 10x more authorized!
If you believe Pauls salvation was a pattern for all after him then why not be baptized in water as he was?
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
This is no suggestion that the water itself makes one clean, Jesus did not think so--
Joh 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
Perhaps you are still in your sins?
All the saints before Paul (and after) of the NT were baptized in water.
Who has blinded your eyes?
LA
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Is RD pursuing the conversion angle of this (where baptism would matter more) or the "dispensational" theology (oxymoron), or simply that God's mercy can change the most difficult?
RD wants it both ways.
Either Paul was a pattern of longsuffering (in which he was foremost and not the first) or Pauls pattern was that of personal salvation (which madists reject ).
LA
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Yes, even though the term "gospel" (good news) is often times QUALIFIED with a description (using OF), these nutballs just keep denying.
I'd say that they're in DENIAL.
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You don't understand Greek cases. English uses "of" for all cases. In Greek there are 4 so on these issues, Greek is 4x more clear. There is a different Greek case when the item BELONGS TO another vs when an item is ABOUT another.
The usual clash is about Gal 2's 'gospels to...' and it is totally misused grammar by MAD and D'ism.
way 2 go
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you can add grace to a covenant of law
but you can't add law (Conditions for salvation) to a dispensation of grace
Nang
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How then do you understand and apply Romans 3:31, considering the new Covenant of Grace comes through faith?
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The Gospel validates the moral/ethical law as the transcript of God's character. And Paul continues to validate it for life--love fulfills the law.
Nang
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Paul taught that "faith" establishes the Law (versus the gospel message).
And where does Scripture say "love" fulfills the Law . . or does it?
way 2 go
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I keep reading
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Do you think Christ's DBR established a covenant of law and sent His disciples to preach it in all nations beginning at Jerusalem?
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
LA
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It was after Paul's conversion that Peter received a message about gentiles
that you claim he already had.
Act 10:28 And he said to them, You know that it is an unlawful thing for a man, a Jew to keep company with or to come near to one of another nation. But God has shown me not to call any man common or unclean.
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