What disgusts you the most about beanieboy?

[Nathon Detroit]

But as I said, I do the same thing. Yet people do not seem to find me "disgusting." Why do you think that is?

Maybe because.... you don't profess to have sex with other men? :think:

 

[On Fire]

But as I said, I do the same thing. Yet people do not seem to find me "disgusting." Why do you think that is?

Good question. I'm sorry to say that I have a feeling your day will come.

 

[beanieboy]

It's not hypocrisy to say to someone, "hey, you say you believe x, start acting like it." I am not a Buddhist, but if I thought BB was being a bad Buddhist, and I told him so, I would not be engaging in hypocrisy.

And if I am, and am capable of it, I would encourage you to do so, because I want to be more enlightened. Teachers of Buddhism often question their followers.

A student was once meditating. A teacher asked him what he was doing, and the student said, "I'm meditating to become enlightened." The teacher picked up a tile and began polishing it. Curious, the student said, "what are you doing?" The teacher said, "I'm polishing a tile to make it into a mirror."

The student understood.

That's what one should do for another, but I am happy to allow christian to help other christians.

 

[Justin (Wiccan)]

On Fire, your comment may be relevant...I'll substitute my name.

[Justin (Wiccan)] doesn't have the Holy Spirit swelling in him. He is incapable of using God's word to judge.

Would you define for me what you mean by "incapable?"

 

[beanieboy]

Beanie doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him. He is incapable of using God's word to judge. When he does so, he is merely blowing smoke. He has apparently blinded you.

Would it be fair to say that since you are not a Buddhist, you have no authority to instruct me how to live?

 

[fool]

He uses the bible (something he claims not to believe in) to tell Christians how they should live.

That makes him a hypocrite.

that dosen't make him a hypocrite
it makes you a hypocrite if you say you believe and then do your own thing any way
how is he supposed to point that out to you other than in your own mythological framework?

 

[On Fire]

On Fire, your comment may be relevant...I'll substitute my name.

Would you define for me what you mean by "incapable?"

While you can certainly quote the words in the Bible, you cannot understand them completely. God's Holy Spirit gives the believer a deeper understanding. Also, you have no authority to go along with your use of the words.

 

[Carver]

On Fire: Beanie doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him. He is incapable of using God's word to judge. When he does so, he is merely blowing smoke. He has apparently blinded you.

I do wear glasses, but I'm not blind yet, thank you very much. Anyway, even the most hyper-Calvinist I've ever met still had to incorporate the doctrine of 'general grace.' That is to say, even atheists, or other 'disgusting,' as many of you like to style them, non-Christians can say things that are in line with Scripture and God's will. This is because (according to my hyper-Calvinist friend) God still can work through their rather puppet like existence to do His will, even though He intends to toss them in the fire a little bit later.

 

[On Fire]

I do wear glasses, but I'm not blind yet, thank you very much. Anyway, even the most hyper-Calvinist I've ever met still had to incorporate the doctrine of 'general grace.' That is to say, even atheists, or other 'disgusting,' as many of you like to style them, non-Christians can say things that are in line with Scripture and God's will. This is because (according to my hyper-Calvinist friend) God still can work through their rather puppet like existence to do His will, even though He intends to toss them in the fire a little bit later.

Beanie may as well be quoting Dr. Seuss or Buddha.

 

[Carver]

One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish???

 

[Justin (Wiccan)]

While you can certainly quote the words in the Bible, you cannot understand them completely. God's Holy Spirit gives the believer a deeper understanding.

Now I know where this doctrine comes from ... but let me ask you this. Let us say that, as a non-Christian, I argue that Christians should not commit adultery, and use the appropriate scriptures to make my argument, is my argument somehow invalid, because I lack that "deeper understanding?"

Also, you have no authority to go along with your use of the words.

Authority. Hmmm.... On Fire, I'm just not sure that your Bible ever has anything to say about that. This assertion may be a man-made doctrine.

But lest we get too far into an argument, when I cite Scripture in a discussion with Christians, I do not claim any "authority." As Christians are to follow Scripture, I allow the Scriptures to stand on their own authority.

 

[fool]

While you can certainly quote the words in the Bible, you cannot understand them completely. God's Holy Spirit gives the believer a deeper understanding. Also, you have no authority to go along with your use of the words.

so your claiming personal revealation by God of the true meaning of the words?
what if the meaning revealed to another believer is not the same?
does that mean God is wrong?
or are you and the other believer just a couple of kooks argueing about what your imaginary freind told you?

 

[allsmiles]

Why does the bible not apply to christians if an unbeliever quotes it? Why do words capable of being taken at face value like, love your neighbor, lose their meaning if an unbeliever quotes them? I don't understand this at all.

 

[taoist]

... under numbers 3 ...

Yeah, I'd noticed that as well and wondered why it didn't draw the standard response. It's actually one of the few rules I set for myself on this site, never to use bible quotations against christians, though I'm quite liberal with them in discussions with Pastor Bob taoist-brudder. Mostly, I've resisted temptation, compromising by using uncited paraphrases when no suitable alternative seemed appropriate. What seems to me to be the actual dividing line is your alignment with the pro-life community. For that, here, you'll be forgiven a host of sins, IMHO.

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fool,
that dosen't make him a hypocrite

taoist,
I can't check you on that one, fool. Necessarily, adherents of a religious faith, especially those who fall into any kind of literal interpretationist school, feel a sense of propietarian loyalty to their holy scripture. Their use of it amongst themselves is meant to illustrate from a common base pre-agreed as infallible. To use it to correct the actions of a fellow believer is justified in that worldview, but when it's perceived as being used as a cudgel by one who doesn't respect its provenance, it's twisting the underlying assumptions used amongst believers in debate. And as such, can be properly perceived as hypocrisy.

From another point of view, however, it's quite possible to pick the portions of their holy text one feels communicate spiritual truths, and use them in debate, as I do from time to time. But even there, it's uncomfortable for true believers who can't accept that their holy book can be seen as only partially relevant.

 

[Granite]

Why does the bible not apply to christians if an unbeliever quotes it? Why do words capable of being taken at face value like, love your neighbor, lose their meaning if an unbeliever quotes them? I don't understand this at all.

You have to be a member of the club to "properly" understand house rules.

 

[fool]

Why does the bible not apply to christians if an unbeliever quotes it? Why do words capable of being taken at face value like, love your neighbor, lose their meaning if an unbeliever quotes them? I don't understand this at all.

there is no understanding it cause it don't make sense

 

[allsmiles]

I understand the club aspect, but this idea of a "deeper understanding" is ludicrous to me. How can it possibly get any deeper? And what of interpretations of the meaning of books like the Revelation? Or Ezekiel? What good has this deeper understanding ever done christianity when all they have done is kill and fight each other for the past two thousand years?

I guess what I don't understand is how they've gotten away with this foolishness for so long when it's so obviously (from the outside looking in) BS.

 

[On Fire]

But lest we get too far into an argument, when I cite Scripture in a discussion with Christians, I do not claim any "authority." As Christians are to follow Scripture, I allow the Scriptures to stand on their own authority.

Which makes me wonder....why a Christian would debate scripture with you.

 

[beanieboy]

Which makes me wonder....why a Christian debate scripture with you.

Good point.
And why should a Christian use scripture against a non-believer?

 

[On Fire]

Good point.
And why should a Christian use scripture against a non-believer?

God and His word have authority over you.