Oh yes! If only our government only took 10%! Maybe the middle class would fare better?
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Oh yes! If only our government only took 10%! Maybe the middle class would fare better?
Selaphiel
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What is your point? You are aware that it is possible to be concerned about both terrorism and climate change at once, right?
The ecological disaster that is coming if it continues to go unchecked will be catastrophic for human civilization. It will affect the availability of food, clean water as well as habitation. If you can see a little bit longer than your own nose, that will have other far reaching effects, like for example war and terror.
You claim to be pro-life. Yet you call the people who are concerned for the welfare of future generations for idiots. Another classical example of "once it is out of the womb, I dont care" mentality. That is not pro-life, that is selective morality. It is moralism that simply targets the part of the chain that does not affect you at all, namely the carrying and birthing of children. Once your own responsibility kicks in, your outrage about destruction and death seems to end.
Selaphiel
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They took only 10%, but they also forbade the adding of fields to fields and a perverse accumulation of wealth among a select few.
PureX
Well-known member
It's not income REdistribution of wealth that we need. It's a more equitable and reasonable overall distribution of wealth. Letting huge amounts of wealth pile up in the hands of a few, especially an unelected few, is disastrous for any society and economy. It always has been and it always will be.
A healthy society needs to have it's wealth more evenly distributed so that everyone gets a share of the opportunities. Thus increasing the connection between opportunity and creativity, inventiveness, and talent. Oligarchies severely stifle invention and growth because the oligarchs only concern is keeping and increasing their excessive wealth and power. To the detriment of everyone else.
A healthy society needs to have it's wealth more evenly distributed so that everyone gets a share of the opportunities. Thus increasing the connection between opportunity and creativity, inventiveness, and talent. Oligarchies severely stifle invention and growth because the oligarchs only concern is keeping and increasing their excessive wealth and power. To the detriment of everyone else.
a rich man has only two choices
spend his money
or
invest his money
both create jobs
spend his money
or
invest his money
both create jobs
Dan Emanuel
Active member
We're bald ape's. We --and all the plant's, by the way --could use a warmer planet. Polar ice cap's are where no people and no plant's live --what purpose does that serve?
I don't see what the problem is. Change happen's. We're the most adaptable specie's known to our specie's. The oceans' are rising? Adapt. The gulf stream stopped? Adapt. England and northern Europe are finally experiencing the winter's that there latitude deserve's? Adapt. We'll adapt. You want to keep building wall's around New Orlean's even though its deep below sea level now? Fine, go ahead. You want to let the sea claim back New Orlean's? Fine, go ahead.
The biggest threat to this planet is cold, not warmth. Ice age's. If we --and all the plant's, by the way --can figure out together how to prevent another ice age from ever happening again, I can't see the problem with that plan. It sound's like a good plan.
DJ
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Quetzal
New member
Incredible. I have never seen such a display of complete ignorance on a topic in all of my life. Here, this will get you started.
According to researchers who have studied the big picture of climate changes in the past even small increments of temperature changes can have profound effects for good and ill on the whole earth.
It does seem that cyclical changes occur due to the way in which our earth functions as a totality.
We are now part of that totality.
PureX
Well-known member
Slavery "creates jobs".
The goal of a healthy economic system is not job creation, it's wealth creation and wealth and opportunity distribution. Capital investment is only a necessary evil, and should be minimized accordingly. Because investment money is parasitic. It demands a return greater in value than what it gives.
PureX
Well-known member
Yes, the thing to remember about "global warming" is not that the air gets warmer. It's that in scientific terms, heat = energy. What is increasing is the amount of energy in the atmosphere. And that not only results in warmer temperatures. it results in more and more extreme weather phenomena. Which is exactly what we're seeing.
can you do that without creating jobs?
MrDeets
TOL Subscriber
I believe Greg Graffin wrote it best.... my answer is at the end,
Hey Brother Christian with your high and might errand,
Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.
Hey Sister Bleeding Heart with all of your compassion,
Your labors soothe the hurt but can't assuage temptation.
Hey man of science with your perfect rules of measure,
Can you improve this place with the data that you gather?
Hey Mother Mercy can your loins bear fruit forever?
Is your fecundity a trammel or a treasure?
And I want to conquer the world,
Give all the idiots a brand new religion,
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil,
Promote equality in all my decisions
With a quick wink of the eye
And a "G*d you must be joking!"
Hey Mr. Diplomat with your worldly aspirations,
Did you see the children cry when you left them at the station?
Hey moral soldier you've got righteous proclamation,
And precious tomes to fuel your pulpy conflagrations.
And I want to conquer the world,
Give all the idiots a brand new religion,
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil,
Promote equality in all of my decisions
I want to conquer the world,
Expose the culprits and feed them to the children,
I'll do away with air pollution and then all save the whales,
We'll have peace on earth and global communion.
I want to conquer the world!
This world is lacking in real empathy. That is my number one. It is incredibly hard to understand what someone feels when your main concern is shoving your belief (or lack thereof down) said person's throat. Behind that, I'd agree with some that have already said "denial/vilification of science", "climate change", fundamentalism, etc....
Hey Brother Christian with your high and might errand,
Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.
Hey Sister Bleeding Heart with all of your compassion,
Your labors soothe the hurt but can't assuage temptation.
Hey man of science with your perfect rules of measure,
Can you improve this place with the data that you gather?
Hey Mother Mercy can your loins bear fruit forever?
Is your fecundity a trammel or a treasure?
And I want to conquer the world,
Give all the idiots a brand new religion,
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil,
Promote equality in all my decisions
With a quick wink of the eye
And a "G*d you must be joking!"
Hey Mr. Diplomat with your worldly aspirations,
Did you see the children cry when you left them at the station?
Hey moral soldier you've got righteous proclamation,
And precious tomes to fuel your pulpy conflagrations.
And I want to conquer the world,
Give all the idiots a brand new religion,
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil,
Promote equality in all of my decisions
I want to conquer the world,
Expose the culprits and feed them to the children,
I'll do away with air pollution and then all save the whales,
We'll have peace on earth and global communion.
I want to conquer the world!
This world is lacking in real empathy. That is my number one. It is incredibly hard to understand what someone feels when your main concern is shoving your belief (or lack thereof down) said person's throat. Behind that, I'd agree with some that have already said "denial/vilification of science", "climate change", fundamentalism, etc....
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Dan Emanuel
Active member
Thank's for the link. In that list I didn't see anything concerning. They'res nothing new here. We can handle this, and we'll all be happier, being that we're bald ape's, and we like plant's. Us and the plant's will all be happier on a warmer planet. No more ice age's.
DJ
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Dan Emanuel
Active member
No more ice age's is a good thing in my book, and if they could write a book, it would be good in the plant's book too.
DJ
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Dan Emanuel
Active member
Every part of the planet has it's climate. Those climate's will change, we get it. More storm's in some place's, less storm's in other's. We already have desert's. Maybe we could live on Antarctica though. :idunno: Biggest land boom since the 19th century if that ever happen's.
DJ
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Alate_One
Well-known member
Not at all true.
Did you miss the thousands of people who died in India during a heat wave?
Do you think 113 degrees Fahrenheit is good for people and plants?
Higher temperatures means evaporation increases and insects aren't killed by the cold. Both of those things are very bad for plants.
It helps regulate the climate, stores water that would otherwise inundate a large area of land.
Well we're going to have to adapt. I'm not worried about human beings going extinct, but the death and suffering has the potential to be tremendous and the longer we fail to act on climate change the worse things are going to get.
Humans survived many ice ages. But the worst mass extinction in earth's history as far as we know was heat during the permian. We don't know if we're going there or not but it stands to reason to stop experimenting on our only home.
PureX
Well-known member
Sure, you just rob people. Then use the money to rob them some more, by becoming a crooked politician or a lender/investor.
PureX
Well-known member
What a dangerously ignorant rationalization!
What you don't realize is that the system is complex, and very interdependent. There will be a tipping point after which a 'cascade effect' ensues. We don't know exactly what that point is, but we do know that once triggered, we're all totally screwed. Because there will be no turning it back. The Earth could become a dead planet, like Mars. And we humans have no where else to go once we destroy the only home that can sustain us.
Yet you seem to imagine that we can just keep abusing our own home indefinitely, and never suffer any real consequence. Like a fool urinating and dedicating in his own house year after year and imaging that the worst that can happen is the smell.
PureX
Well-known member
It's a stupid question. We didn't "create jobs" for hundreds of thousands of years. Instead, we fended for ourselves, living off the land and with the environment. You seem to imagine that todays techno-industrial society is the only possible way for people to live, when in fact, it's only been around for a few hundred years. And it's failing us. A society of "employees" is not a good way for human beings to live. It's inherently neglectful and exploitive.
We need to find new solutions. Probably solutions that balance individual employment with self-sustaining extended family farms, cottage industry, and large socialist community endeavors.