Apple7
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Then you've never used a smartphone.
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Were Early Church Fathers Young Earth Creationists?
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Then you've never used a smartphone.
Could you make the connection between 'smartphone' and 'darwinism' please?
I'm not seeing it.
What, out of the many things that make up darwinism, et al., contributed to the creation and design of a smartphone?
6days
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So ridiculous the claims evolutionists make tying to sell their beliefs. It was James Maxwell who pioneered electromagnetic radiation theory upon which cell phone technology depends. He was a Biblical creationist. Common ancestry beliefs have NEVER led to a single new technology.
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Ross is a wee bit dishonest, and I'm not so sure why you depend on him when his claims are CLEARLY false. The names of early church fathers you mentioned all seem to be young earth creationists. Perhaps you should read the OP to see actual quotes.Apple7 said:
Straw man/red herring. No one claims such. However, Scripture does claim that death entered our world because of first Adam's sin. Jesus does mention humanity existing from a time near "the foundation" of the world.Apple7 said:
Hugh Ross is wrong about many things... including what he says about the early church fathers. You might do well reading Scripture instead of people like Ross and his false claims.
Apple7
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If you don't want to answer the question, just say so.
Apple7
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I'm not an evolutionist.
So...that default argument won't fly here.
Further, the GPS in your smartphone only works because of Einstein's Relativity Theorems....of which, are the most proven principles in all of physics - even gravity - and also predict a billions of year old Universe.
This is just fact, whether you like it or not.
Apple7
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Your OP was wholesale plagiarized from a catholic website, here...
www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/catholic_creationism_fathers.php
Likewise, it provides no references, either...go figure...
Light is instantaneous, but EM Wave
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6days
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It would seem you are. You seem to fervently defend old earth beliefs which usually contain some elements of stellar evolution...possible some biological evolution.... and the belief that death pain and suffering existed in our world before first Adam sinned.Apple7 said:
Relativity (and, yes..."even gravity") can be interpreted to fit whichever belief system you adhere to, no matter if its the Biblical young earth or secular old earth beliefs. Fact is that common ancestry beliefs have hindered science, and harmed people. It is a belief system that is toxic to faith in Last Adam...our Savior.Apple7 said:
You are a funny guy. The Catholic list is not at all similar to the list I posted. They have names I don't, and visa versa.Apple7 said:
So.. why do I think you are funny? You are now posting links refuting your earlier claims. Even reading the Catholic site, you will see most, if not all, of the early church fathers believed in a young earth.
Apple7
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Death existed before Adam sinned.
Yet another YEC dilemma.
Now....
Go plagiarize some more un-referenced tripe from catholic sites, and claim them as your own...
By death do you mean just plant life, insects, cellular death?
Or do you mean animal and human deaths as well?
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6days
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Death existing before Adam sinned is a secular belief, or possibly in other religions. Death to 'nepesh' life happened only after Adam sinned according to God's Word.
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Apple7
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Tell that to Job.
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Job 38.25 - 41
Who has cut a channel for the flood; or a way for the thunderclaps, to make it rain on the earth where no man is, a wilderness and no man in it; to satisfy the waste and desolation, and to cause the source of grass to sprout? Is there a father for the rain? Or who has given birth to the drops of dew? From whose womb comes forth the ice; and the frost of the heavens, who fathered it; the waters hidden like stone, and the face of the deep is captured? Can you bind the bands of the Pleiades, or loosen the cords of Orion? Can you bring out the constellations in their season; or can you guide the Bear with its sons? Do you know the limits of the heavens; can you establish their rulership on the earth? Can you lift your voice to the clouds, so that floods of water may cover you? Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say to you, Here we are? Who has put wisdom in the inward parts; or who has given understanding to the mind? Who can by wisdom number the clouds or who can lay down the jars of the heavens, when the dust is melted into hardness, and the clods cling fast together? Will you hunt the prey for the lion, or fill the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in dens, and sit in the cover of their hiding place? Who provides food for the raven, when its young ones cry to God and wander about without food?
Here we have Yahweh giving Job a clinic on creation.
Observe that God provides Job with a list of the creation BEFORE mankind!
Lions hunting for prey? Lions are carnivores. This means that they stalked and killed their food, as plainly stated in the text.
Ravens are omnivores – which means that they also ate meat – which means animal death.
So…as you can see, all these things transpired BEFORE the first humans.
Animal death existed BEFORE Adam sinned.
Period.
6days
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Scripture tells us death entered the world after first Adam sinned.Apple7 said:
Did your 'Job' argument come from Hugh Ross; because it's as dishonest as his early church fathers argument. Are you willing to admit that Ross is wrong, and the early church fathers believed in a young earth?