Water Baptism passed away in this dispensation

[thelaqachisnext]

Ever heard of the new Heaven and the new Earth? Peter wrote about it!
2 Peter 3:13

...
Because MAD is not anti-Israel you nut!

Mad is anti-Israel in stating that Israel will not inherit it’s promised spiritual heritage in the heavenly realm, and invents a pseudo dissembling doctrine which claims Israel is set aside and the new, gnostic sect who follows a pseudo paul, calling themselves “Paulinists” will inherit the spiritual promises which are reserved only for Israel, in the Scriptures -and not for “paulinists” of the MAD persuasion.

The New heavens and the New earth are the elementally same heavens and earth, transformed in the regeneration of them by the Firstborn Human Being of the New Man race of humanity, whose name is “Israel”, who is the promised Seed of the Woman [Zion above], in Genesis 3:15, who was to come in His season of the fulness of times and who was proclaimed to the serpent as the One who would crush the “head” of the serpent .

The renewal of the heavens and the earth in and by the Son of Man who was, from the beginning “the Hidden God“ [Whom Paul writes of], who was “with God and who was God“, was told of long before Moses wrote Genesis, in the book of 1 Enoch, by Enoch the Scribe, Seer, and prophet, the seventh from Adam; which writing Peter is quoting from, and which you should go read and learn the doctrine of Christ from; which writing totally contradicted MAD doctrine thousands of years before MAD doctrine was invented by modern men.

Jesus Christ, the Holy One, the Elect Son, the Messiah, is seen there as “the Hidden God” who was the Son of Man from the beginning who was to come in human being flesh as Kinsman to Adam, in the season of His pre-ordained times, appointed from the beginning of creation, and who would transform the heavens and earth and make them an eternal blessing, to whom the sum of all judgment was committed by the Father, from the beginning, and in whom and by whom the entire heavens and earth would be united in “one”, when the Father fills all things by His indwelling glory -which is the redemption in “the Name” [the Name is Israel] promised from that beginning of creation and now "revealed" in this “season of the “Acceptable year of YHWH“ to the elect, first, by the regeneration of the Spirit in them, which is the New Birth from above in the Living Spirit of the New Man.

The Living Oracles foretold His "Acceptable Season/Year" , when He would make a final end of sin’s remembrance before YHWH, and would open the Way into the presence of Glory on high, by the broken body of His flesh, which flesh was represented in the Oracles by the veil to the Holy of Holies, which was split in "His Day/Times, of the Acceptable sacrifice“ and opened the way for the redeemed in Adam to enter in.

And this Acceptable Year of YHWH is typed and shadowed in the Memorial Feasts of YHWH, which were committed only to the Jews to rehearse yearly, when the High Priest, serving as Christ [the Messiah, the Anointed One], donned the “type and shadow” “garments of Yeshua”, and entered the “type and shadow” of the heavenly Holy of Holies, and offered the blood of bulls and goats, as a dress rehearsal, only, of that final “Season of the Acceptable Year of YHWH“, which is “the Day of Jesus Christ” which Abraham saw, as a prophet, in Genesis 22 and rejoiced in, in which “seeing” Abraham named Mount Moriah “YHWH SEEN”, -and seen in His image, or “TSELEM”- so Ye Ru Salem [Mount Moriah] is where YAH”S IMAGE IS [was and shall be] SEEN.

But then, also, Adam was made in the image of the “Tselem” of God, the Word, who was to come, is come, and shall come, and His name, as the “New Man” is “Israel“ [Isaiah 49:Genesis 32; Genesis 34].

Romans 5:14, says that Adam was the “tupos” =image, as if struck from a type-set, of the Word who was to come.

Salvation/Hoshea[ the noun]/Yeshua [the object] is "of the Jews", and the remnant is not cast away, but the branches that were cut off for unbelief are fit only for burning, and we Gentiles are only graft in to the natural Tree, which Tree is Christ, the Living Spirit, whose New Man Flesh Name is “Israel”.

The Adoption pertains to Israel, as the seed of Jacob, which we Gentiles share in by grafting into the same Tree by the Spirit of adoption. Believing Jews are not cut off from that Tree and do inherit the spiritual promises, which are irrevocable, and only to “Israel” of Jacob and in "Israel" of God, who is Jesus [Salvation], the Christ [Messiah], YHWH the Word come in ISrael flesh of the New/Last -second- human being creation.


All Believing born again Gentiles are joined together in the Tree with the natural branches who were never cut off because of unbelief; so it is false to say God has set Israel “aside”, as the promises of the heavenly heritage are only to Israel, alone.

You will not inherit the heavenly promises if you claim you are going to get something Israel lost….for it is Israel alone who gets the Glory, and He [Israel the New Man -Isaiah 49] shares it with His natural, elected in Abraham through Jacob sons who are reserved and raised up in Him, and with His adopted Gentile sons.

 

[thelaqachisnext]

Thelaqachisnext;
Etymologically is interesting but not necessary. What do these words mean, as you interpret them today? I can look them up in a dictionary or Bible, but what do they mean to you? (in your own words).

Etymology is "Truth" as shown above in my post, and if you want the definition of words "in truth" then you need to go to the source of it's creation in the beginning and see where it comes from, to grasp fully what it is.

Going to the source -which is not yet exhausted- "dispensation", for instance, is about the "ward/watch/managing" [stewardship] of "this" pre-ordained "season" of the "fulness of times".
Something was pre-ordained from the beginning and it's season is come in it's fulness; and that something is the "Day of the LORD", which is "now", which Day was seen by Abraham in Genesis 22, and in which Day Abraham rejoiced.

This is the "Day of Salvation", freely offered to the Jew first, and also to the Gentiles. Paul the Apostle grasped the Living Oracles' teachings on "This Day" =[Psalm 118] from the Written Scriptures and expounded on them, esp on the New Man Creation body of Christ being the Mercy Seat of God, "set forth as our Propitiation" [Mercy Seat], which setting forth happened when the LORD cried "It is Finished"! gave up the Spirit and departed the body, as our Scapegoat, bearing our sins and iniquities in His soul, taking them away -to the "wilderness" =Sheol below- and that dead "New Man body" of the second creation hung on the cross, receiving the final acceptable blood of Atonement for all in Adam.
-then the veil was split from heaven, and the Way opened into the Presence of His Glory by that Acceptance of the Finished Work in the Acceptable Year of the LORD".
Paul the Apostle understood all this and understood he had been given a part in telling the Good News of God's Finished work for the Salvation of all in Adam -the Jew first, and also the Gentiles. -But Paul was only one player in the telling, and MAD doctrine has made a false paul, with a false foundation, of a false new, secret, gnostic gospel.

 

[Servo]

Mad is anti-Israel in stating that Israel will not inherit it’s promised spiritual heritage in the heavenly realm, and invents a pseudo dissembling doctrine which claims Israel is set aside and the new, gnostic sect who follows a pseudo paul, calling themselves “Paulinists” will inherit the spiritual promises which are reserved only for Israel, in the Scriptures -and not for “paulinists” of the MAD persuasion.

The New heavens and the New earth are the elementally same heavens and earth, transformed in the regeneration of them by the Firstborn Human Being of the New Man race of humanity, whose name is “Israel”, who is the promised Seed of the Woman [Zion above], in Genesis 3:15, who was to come in His season of the fulness of times and who was proclaimed to the serpent as the One who would crush the “head” of the serpent .

The renewal of the heavens and the earth in and by the Son of Man who was, from the beginning “the Hidden God“ [Whom Paul writes of], who was “with God and who was God“, was told of long before Moses wrote Genesis, in the book of 1 Enoch, by Enoch the Scribe, Seer, and prophet, the seventh from Adam; which writing Peter is quoting from, and which you should go read and learn the doctrine of Christ from; which writing totally contradicted MAD doctrine thousands of years before MAD doctrine was invented by modern men.

Jesus Christ, the Holy One, the Elect Son, the Messiah, is seen there as “the Hidden God” who was the Son of Man from the beginning who was to come in human being flesh as Kinsman to Adam, in the season of His pre-ordained times, appointed from the beginning of creation, and who would transform the heavens and earth and make them an eternal blessing, to whom the sum of all judgment was committed by the Father, from the beginning, and in whom and by whom the entire heavens and earth would be united in “one”, when the Father fills all things by His indwelling glory -which is the redemption in “the Name” [the Name is Israel] promised from that beginning of creation and now "revealed" in this “season of the “Acceptable year of YHWH“ to the elect, first, by the regeneration of the Spirit in them, which is the New Birth from above in the Living Spirit of the New Man.

The Living Oracles foretold His "Acceptable Season/Year" , when He would make a final end of sin’s remembrance before YHWH, and would open the Way into the presence of Glory on high, by the broken body of His flesh, which flesh was represented in the Oracles by the veil to the Holy of Holies, which was split in "His Day/Times, of the Acceptable sacrifice“ and opened the way for the redeemed in Adam to enter in.

And this Acceptable Year of YHWH is typed and shadowed in the Memorial Feasts of YHWH, which were committed only to the Jews to rehearse yearly, when the High Priest, serving as Christ [the Messiah, the Anointed One], donned the “type and shadow” “garments of Yeshua”, and entered the “type and shadow” of the heavenly Holy of Holies, and offered the blood of bulls and goats, as a dress rehearsal, only, of that final “Season of the Acceptable Year of YHWH“, which is “the Day of Jesus Christ” which Abraham saw, as a prophet, in Genesis 22 and rejoiced in, in which “seeing” Abraham named Mount Moriah “YHWH SEEN”, -and seen in His image, or “TSELEM”- so Ye Ru Salem [Mount Moriah] is where YAH”S IMAGE IS [was and shall be] SEEN.

But then, also, Adam was made in the image of the “Tselem” of God, the Word, who was to come, is come, and shall come, and His name, as the “New Man” is “Israel“ [Isaiah 49:Genesis 32; Genesis 34].

Romans 5:14, says that Adam was the “tupos” =image, as if struck from a type-set, of the Word who was to come.

Salvation/Hoshea[ the noun]/Yeshua [the object] is "of the Jews", and the remnant is not cast away, but the branches that were cut off for unbelief are fit only for burning, and we Gentiles are only graft in to the natural Tree, which Tree is Christ, the Living Spirit, whose New Man Flesh Name is “Israel”.

The Adoption pertains to Israel, as the seed of Jacob, which we Gentiles share in by grafting into the same Tree by the Spirit of adoption. Believing Jews are not cut off from that Tree and do inherit the spiritual promises, which are irrevocable, and only to “Israel” of Jacob and in "Israel" of God, who is Jesus [Salvation], the Christ [Messiah], YHWH the Word come in ISrael flesh of the New/Last -second- human being creation.


All Believing born again Gentiles are joined together in the Tree with the natural branches who were never cut off because of unbelief; so it is false to say God has set Israel “aside”, as the promises of the heavenly heritage are only to Israel, alone.

You will not inherit the heavenly promises if you claim you are going to get something Israel lost….for it is Israel alone who gets the Glory, and He [Israel the New Man -Isaiah 49] shares it with His natural, elected in Abraham through Jacob sons who are reserved and raised up in Him, and with His adopted Gentile sons.

MAD doctrine stated simply:

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.

MAD doctrine is NOT anti-Israel!!!

Now write another pointless book you kook! :kookoo:

 

[Servo]

Oh and thelaqachisnext ...

2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Mixing the law and grace simply does not work, as you show all of us over and over agian...

 

[thelaqachisnext]

Oh and thelaqachisnext ...

2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Mixing the law and grace simply does not work, as you show all of us over and over agian...

False of you to claim I am mixing law and Grace -for the Law and the Prophets were until John, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ , and Acts 15 settles the issue of Gentiles who are called into the Name of the New Man by the regeneration of Spirit coming under Moses or not -and we do not, as the Apostles Barnabus [one of the 70 whom Jesus appointed] and Saul [but not of the Twelve Foundation Apostles] were given the letters to the Churches to encourage them by -when Paul took Timothy with him on the trips to the Churches and circumcised him with his own hands before he would take him with him to deliver that encouraging letter to the Churches! -You see, Paul was a Jew and Timothy was a half Jew, and neither of them became non-Jews after being called into the Spirit of the "One New Man Name", which Paul was careful to warn Jews and Gentiles about, for he said "if called circumcised do not become uncircumcised" and "if called uncircumcised do not become circumcised".

But we do share the spiritual heritage of Israel, which is the establishing of the heavens, which Paul noted we Gentiles share in by the Adoption.

-And you wrest the passage you quoted above to destruction, for Paul only says to "lay all Scripture side by side to compare it", for one must labour to "prove all things" by "Scripture", and Paul is speaking of the OT, which is the Scripture which is able to "make us wise unto Salvation".

-If you ever studied all Scripture [OT] and laid all Scripture [OT] "side by side", as a farmer plows his rows, and compared Scripture with Scripture to "prove all things", then you could not follow MAD doctrine in truth, but only willfully, in rebellion to the Truth, which is revealed in all Scripture, by comparison, and there for the "comparing" side by side to Prove all things" by.

 

[thelaqachisnext]

-And Shemei,
There is no distinction between Jew and Greek in Adam, either, for the same Wrath of God abides on all born in Adam, both Jew and Greek, male and female, slave and free, and all in Adam must be "born again in Christ" to escape the etrnal abiding wrath of God, in the shelter of the Name of "the Beloved Son", the "Only Begotten", the "Accepted" "Elect Son" -Israel, who is the Living Spirit/Christ, come in second human being flesh of the last creation as the "Firstborn Human Being of God" who now inherits the lost kingdom of Adam, which He ransomed.

 

[Servo]

False of you to claim I am mixing law and Grace -for the Law and the Prophets were until John, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ .

Was Christ circumcised on the 8th day?
Luke 2:21

Did the 12 keep the food laws?
Acts 10:14

Did Christ teach to keep the commandments?
Matthew 19:16-19

Was Paul the apostle to the gentiles?
Romans 11:13

Did Paul preach to keep the law?
Galatians 5

 

[Brother John]

"Etymology is "Truth" as shown above in my post, and if you want the definition of words "in truth" then you need to go to the source of it's creation in the beginning and see where it comes from, to grasp fully what it is."

Yes Thelagachisnext, I understand, and I agree its important, But what I'm looking for is your understanding, in your own words. Try to keep it simple so even I can understand what your saying. Oh, and stay on subject, ok? I not asking about MAD. Thank you so much for responding.

What is your source for etymology? I could use that.

 

[thelaqachisnext]

Was Christ circumcised on the 8th day?
Luke 2:21...and etc.

Shemei,
Are ye daft, man! What confusion you are under to try to prove something which is already proven in Acts 15, by the Jerusalem council, which consisted of the elders and the Foundation Apostles of the One Faith.

MAD claims to be a "right dividing" doctrine, meaning [but falsely], to them- that they look at a passage and see to whom it was written, and by that, claiming Paul the Apostle wrote only to them [though he did not address them in any letter and they do not obey Paul's commandments at all], and claiming by that, that Jesus never said anything to them....and you are mixing the doctrine of MAD up with more confusion by your post, being inconsistent to the max.

Nevertheless, to humour you:
Paul was circumcised the 8th day and commanded those called in circumcision to not become uncircumcised and those called uncircumcised to not become circumcised -do you deny that Truth of the Word? Do you disobey "Paul" [YHWH'S commandment, actually, to the Jews], by commanding Jews to become "uncircumcised"?


Abraham was circumcised and not a Jew, and Isaac was the first circumcised the 8th day, and not a Jew, and Abraham was not redeemed by circumcision and neither was Isaac.

The sign, or living oracle, of circumcision is the cutting off of all seed of Adam in the 8th day of creation [which is the 1st day of the regeneration of the heavens and the earth], but those of the Spirit of Promise [first promised to Abraham and signed in his name change] inherit the regenerated heavens and earth in the New Man's Adoption; and only Israel, the namesake "natural peoples" of the Name of the New Man, is to keep that sign in their flesh as an oracle of the coming cutting off from earth of all seed of Adam [Adam is already cut off from heaven since the fall, and is no longer "Adam, son of God", as Luke points out he was, in the beginning; Luke 3:38]-and circumcision is the sign of the ceasing of the commanded multiplying of the seed of Adam [to fill the earth with the created human being sons of God -Malachi 2:15, which now will be filled with the seed of Israel, the New Man, by the spiritual adoption and regeneration of the flesh in His New Man image]; and circumcision continues in the flesh of Israel until that sign, or oracle, is fulfilled.

Gentiles are not given the Living Oracles to perform, only Israel, His Namesake people called by His New Man name received the Living Oracles, which teach all Truth to "whosoever will" learn the Truth of the One Way to eternal Life by the atonement offered and received once, for all in Adam.
Nevertheless; all our four sons are circumcised -and not on the 8th day! -So do you want to condemn us for having our sons "cicumcised" -though we are not "in the circumcision" [Jews]? If so, then you are disobeying Paul the Apostle again, for to our own Master we stand or fall, but you would judge Jews for observing the Sabbath to the LORD -though we do not observe the Jewish Sabbath "to the LORD"!


~~~
Paul was not a "Foundation of the One Faith [Chruch] Apostle", but was an Apostle like Barnabus [one of the 70] was, who was also "called to go to the Gentiles", and specifically, to go with Saul; though all the Apostles and disciples were given the Great Commission, which is the Foundation command of the One Faith, which command is to be in effect until the Church is removed from the midst of the earth and which commandment of Jesus is that which all His disciples obey by being water baptized in the One Faith in the One Name by those who are set over the Church who have the authority to do so by the command of Jesus.

The Decalogue, the "Ten", is "sealed" in all born again Believers, written on their New Man hearts of flesh and not on tablets of stone, -do you deny that? -And the seventh day Sabbath was and is an oracle of the True Eternal Sabbath Rest of His Peace, whcih each born again Believer, Jew and Gentile, enters into and ceases "stops" [a Sabbath word, in the original tongue] their own vain works, and begins to walk in the "good works of the redeemed", for which works they will be rewarded by the LORD of them in the Day of judgment of all Believers.

 

[Servo]

Shemei,
Are ye daft, man! What confusion you are under to try to prove something which is already proven in Acts 15, by the Jerusalem council, which consisted of the elders and the Foundation Apostles of the One Faith.

MAD claims to be a "right dividing" doctrine, meaning [but falsely], to them- that they look at a passage and see to whom it was written, and by that, claiming Paul the Apostle wrote only to them [though he did not address them in any letter and they do not obey Paul's commandments at all], and claiming by that, that Jesus never said anything to them....and you are mixing the doctrine of MAD up with more confusion by your post, being inconsistent to the max.

Nevertheless, to humour you:
Paul was circumcised the 8th day and commanded those called in circumcision to not become uncircumcised and those called uncircumcised to not become circumcised -do you deny that Truth of the Word? Do you disobey "Paul" [YHWH'S commandment, actually, to the Jews], by commanding Jews to become "uncircumcised"?

Daft? I didn't ask about Paul, did I? Care to try again?

Also, two simple questions:

1. Is murder wrong?

Please answer with...
1. Yes
2. No.
3. I don't know.
4. Please write another pointless book and avoid answering the question.

2. Did the unbaptized man on to the cross to the right of Christ (Luke 23:39-43) go to be with the Lord?

Please answer with...
1. Yes
2. No.
3. I don't know.
4. Please write another pointless book and avoid answering the question.

 

[thelaqachisnext]

1Ti 6:3 ¶If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

The words of MAD do not consent to the "wholesome words", even the "wholesome words of the LORD Jesus Christ" and His doctrine of godliness, calling themselves only "paulinists" and 'of paul", rejecting the wholesome words and doctrine of godliness of the only LORD and Saviour, Jesus Christ..

consent: 1) to come to, approach

2) draw near to

3) to assent to
AV - come 30, come to 25, come unto 19, go to 3, go unto 2,
draw near 2, misc 5; 86

Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

 

[thelaqachisnext]

Shemei,
As a MAD doctrine believer does it trouble you that the "ascended Son of Man", the Firstborn Human Being Creation Son of God, ascended and sitting on the Throne in the heavenly realm of earth's dominion [and who is YHWH, the Word, in that flesh of second human being creation, who always sat on the created throne in heaven above as YHWH from the beginning of creation] is a circumcised male Jew, of the Tribe of Judah, and who is Israel, Himself, God's "Second Man" creation?

 

[Servo]

The words of MAD do not consent to the "wholesome words", even the "wholesome words of the LORD Jesus Christ" and His doctrine of godliness, calling themselves only "paulinists" and 'of paul", rejecting the wholesome words and doctrine of godliness of the only LORD and Saviour, Jesus Christ..

consent: 1) to come to, approach

2) draw near to

3) to assent to
AV - come 30, come to 25, come unto 19, go to 3, go unto 2,
draw near 2, misc 5; 86

Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

So you chose option 4 (except no book-yea!) ...uhh twice?


Hey Laq, who commissioned Paul to be the apostle to the gentiles?

Do you know?

 

[Servo]

Shemei,
As a MAD doctrine believer does it trouble you that the "ascended Son of Man", the Firstborn Human Being Creation Son of God, ascended and sitting on the Throne in the heavenly realm of earth's dominion [and who is YHWH, the Word, in that flesh of second human being creation, who always sat on the created throne in heaven above as YHWH from the beginning of creation] is a circumcised male Jew, of the Tribe of Judah, and who is Israel, Himself, God's "Second Man" creation?

No. Why would it? That is what MAD doctrine teaches. And again, is NOT ant-Israel. Quite the opposite! Why do you continue to throw this FALSE accusation out there?

 

[thelaqachisnext]

No. Why would it? That is what MAD doctrine teaches. And again, is NOT ant-Israel. Quite the opposite! Why do you continue to throw this FALSE accusation out there?

Is it not anti-Israel to keep Israel on the "plantation" [earth] while you think you will be ruling them from the heavenly realm because you are "paulinist" in doctrine?

I acknowledge you think you are not anti-“Israel“, but I point out that MAD teaches that “Israel” is to be relegated to an earthly inheritance, while those following the new, separated, sect of a different gospel called “Pauline” will rule over them from heaven: MAD teaches they will be a ruling “elite” heavenly class, set over even the twelve Apostles of the LORD, whom they teach will be ruling only from earth, below as their eternal reward. -Is that not so"

And I am glad that you realize that the Son of Man who is ascended to the Father is named “Israel“, as the Son said the Father called His name, in Isaiah 49; and is the Second Man Creation Human Being, and is a circumcised Jew of the Tribe of Judah. -But why did you deny His name is Israel, before? -you have me confused about your confusion.

Since Paul was a born again, male, water baptized, Pentecostal, tongues speaking/singing praying, Jew, of the Tribe of Benjamin, who commanded Jews to not become uncircumcised and Gentiles to not become circumcised who are called into the Name of the LORD by the regeneration of the Spirit of Adoption, and who circumcised Timothy, a half Jew, with his own hands before taking him on a trip with him, then are you bothered that Jews may continue to be Jews and Gentiles may continue to be Gentiles after they are called into the Name of the One New Man by the second birth? -Are you not happy that there is no inequality in Christ between Jews and Gentiles?
Or do you want Believing Jews to become uncircumcised for you to be happy?
If not, then why is it such a big deal with you that a Jew can be a Jew and redeemed and in the same “one New Man “ -as a natural branch- as a redeemed Gentile is joined to?

-or do you not believe that Believing Jews are in Christ the same as Believing Gentiles? Do you have a middle man made up of Jews, then?

 

[thelaqachisnext]

...
Hey Laq, who commissioned Paul to be the apostle to the gentiles?

Do you know?

Because I read the Word for myself I know much more than the MAD writings have told you about who called whom, when, and what for, and if you would be wise you would put down the MAD books and pick up the Word of God and learn the doctrine of Christ:

and the same one who called Barnabas to be an Apostle to the Gentiles, called Saul, and Barnabas was one of the 70 chosen disciples of Christ, and Barnabas was also a born again, water baptized, Pentecostal, circumcized, Jew, and of the tribe of Levi, and the brother of Mary [who, herself, was the mother of John Mark], and He called Barnabas to befriend and preach the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles with Saul, cause Saul needed someone with him who knew all the details of Jesus' life and doctrine, into which he was called.

-But then, Saul had a hissy fit cause Barnabas wanted to take his nephew on another trip with them, and the "hard to get along with Saul" separated himself from Barnabas and chose another of the seventy, Silas, to go with him -but he and Barnabas were reconciled later; and so, because of Saul's hissy fit, both teams went to the Gentiles: Barnabas and Mark to some and Paul and Silas to some.


Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

Act 14:14[Which] when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard [of], they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Act 14:21¶And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and [to] Iconium, and Antioch,
Act 14:22Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Act 14:26And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.

Act 14:27And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles

Act 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.

 

[Brother John]

Laq.
So there were 70 chosen disciples? At the time of Acts 13:2?

 

[Pettrix]

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1Co 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.

Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, [and] lie not, a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

:jawdrop: :jawdrop:

Need I quote more???

 

[godrulz]

Odd...make a doctrine out of a possessive pronoun?

Billy Graham could say the same things as we could all. My gospel, your gospel, our gospel. The gospel of the Jews, Africans, Gentiles, Indians, Chinese, etc.

My gospel is life-changing. My gospel is powerful. It is the gospel of Christ, but the one I preach.

You are reading too much into a pronoun. Non-Acts 9 people embrace these verses just as strongly without concluding Paul invented a different gospel. World renowned scholars like F.F. Bruce embrace Paul and His gospel without spinning ultradispensational theories based on proof texts.

We have all been entrusted with the gospel. This does not make it a different gospel based on circ or uncirc, etc.

Any NT believer, including Peter, James, John, Billy Sunday, Dwight Moody, C.T. Studd, Wesley, etc. could make similar statements in principle. We are co-ambassadors with Paul. Christ/Spirit initiated the gospel, not Paul. Paul merely was the ambassador, as we all are.

 

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So there were 70 chosen disciples? At the time of Acts 13:2?

The orginal 'eyewitnesses' were the twelve and the seventy, all males.

Jesus chose twelve males to be the Eye Witnesses of His Person and resurrection, and He chose seventy males besides them, but not the chief 'rulers', or 'foundation' Apostles. There were many more disciples, including women, but Jesus numbered the twelve and the seventy males, specifically.


From those seventy Matthias was chosen to replace Judas, and Barnabas was one of the seventy, as Silas was.

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

Peter spoke of a replacement for Judas from among the numbered ones to fulfill the Scriptures, in Acts 1:

Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, "Let his habitation be desolate", and "let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take".
Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.



Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: