Krsto
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It helps to understand what John was actually saying. You refuse to accept any other interpretations.
Unless You Believe That I Am "HE" (GOD) You Will Die In Your Sins, John 8:24
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It helps to understand what John was actually saying. You refuse to accept any other interpretations.
Except that they don't.
He was GIVEN all authority. Someone given authority didn't have it to begin with.
Given that ability by God. "I can do NOTHING of myself." Being present in a few billion places at the same time is not the same as filling heaven and earth like our omnipresent God.
By your logic prophets would be omniscient. Jesus was not omniscient because there was something he didn't know, namely the time of his return.
A term that is used of human representatives of God, as it is here.
The Logos, the Plan of God, became a person. Jesus IS the Plan of God.
So are a lot of other humans in the bible.
Delegated authority. "I can do NOTHING of myself."
Amazing isn't it, that God would give this to a man.
Being one is not the same as being equal.
But not the Almighty God. "Everlasting Father" is better translated "father of futurity."
All things were created through Jesus, not Jesus as the one doing the creating.
Delegated authority. "I can do NOTHING of myself."
So you just ignore those scriptures because a cult uses them to refute your arguments. Way to be intellectually honest. :mmph:
6 days will dismiss them. she has been refuted her claims already.
Krsto
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I figured that. Don't know why I waste my time with people whose minds are like cement: all mixed up and permanently set.
Your comments are not wasted because there are some lurkers who missed them.
I don't have patience for repetitious posts like 6 days'.
Your patience is appreciated.
6days
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Holding onto corrupt tradition is not good thing, friend.
6days
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Krsto..... As has been said a few times already, the verses listed are only used as an example. We don't base doctrine on just that one single verse. Doctrine of Jesus being omnipotent is based on the entirety of scripture from Genesis right through Revelation. You can explain away any verse, but when you have to explain away the entirety of scripture, you have a problem.Krsto said:
We can also look at how the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, because Jesus said that "God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" John 5:18
You can explain it away.....
Jesus also said “I and My Father are one” John 10:30.
You can deny it......
We can do things like seeing who our Creator is....
Eph.3:9 ... God, who created all things.
Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, God created
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... Through him (Jesus)all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Col. 1:16 For by Him (Jesus) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him
Do you deny Him?
We see God the Father being described as eternal and almighty in verses such as Rev. 11:17..... And we see Jesus being described eternal and all powerful...and the sustainer in Col. 1:15-17
You can try explain one verse away... but there are many talking about Jesus being the express image of God, and His power.
Hebrews 1:3 . . who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever
You can deny Him... or be like Thomas and call Him your Lord and your God
6days
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So are you suggesting that Jesus is the mighty God, but Jehovah is the almighty God? There are two Gods?Krsto said:
Really.... What version is that and can you tell us the qualifications of the translators?Krsto said:
Lets see what other teams of translators said...
New Living Translation
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
English Standard Version
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
New American Standard Bible
Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
King James Bible
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
International Standard Version
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
NET Bible
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
New American Standard 1977
Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Jubilee Bible 2000
The Mighty One, The Eternal Father, The Prince of Peace.
King James 2000 Bible
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
American King James Version
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
American Standard Version
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Douay-Rheims Bible
God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.
Darby Bible Translation
Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
English Revised Version
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Webster's Bible Translation
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
World English Bible
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Young's Literal Translation
Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
We prefer our translation and never felt the need to search for obscure translations to match unbelief
keypurr
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Is there a true translation out there for us?
I have yet to find it. And I have over thirty to seek from.
6days
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True?
There are many GOOD translations. The publishers make available who the translators are.
There are a few bad translations, and in some cases the publisher wont reveal who did the 'translation'. For example the Watchtower / JW tells us that their translators are "anonymous".
keypurr
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I think all translations from the Greek to English are more in error than the Hebrew to English translations.
KingdomRose
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It doesn't matter how many versions say that; I imagine they ALL do. Even the New World Translation. There are some things we have to know about "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father." Everyone would agree that Jesus is indeed the "Prince of Peace." However, there is a void in understanding these other two titles.
(1) There are no capital letters OR punctuation in Hebrew, just as in Greek there are no capital letters or punctuation.
(2) The verse would then read, word for word: "a child is born to us a son is given to us and is the government on his shoulder and is called his name wonderful counselor the god mighty everlasting father prince of peace". (The Interlinear Bible/ Hebrew, Greek, English)
(3) Does "god mighty" mean that the Messiah is "god almighty"? These are two different "gods." "God Mighty" is, in Hebrew, EL GIBBOHR.
(4) "God almighty" is, in Hebrew, EL SHADDAI. Therefore, the "mighty god" is not the same as the "Almighty God."
(5) The Messiah is never referred to as El Shaddai (Almighty God).
(6) Only YHWH (Jehovah) is called El Shaddai.
(7) The Messiah is "everlasting father" because he is a life-giver. It is because of him that we can have everlasting life. He has spiritual children, similarly to the Apostle Paul (please see I Corinthians 4:14; Galatians 4:19; Philemon 10). Jesus is not THE Father of everyone---he is not his own Father. He did not pray to himself.
(8) It is vital to understand the term "god." It can be any body or any thing. Referred to by the New Testament writers, it means just that and usually refers to men or idols. In the Old Testament the term included angels and human judges. "God" simply means, when referring to people, an important and powerful individual. When a Greek writer wants to say something about God, the Almighty, he will use the definite article 'TOV' with the title of "god." That is the way someone can discern what "god" is being talked about. Yes, there are MANY "gods," but only one ALMIGHTY God, the Father, Jehovah. (I Corinthians 8:5,6)
If anyone reads this, I hope they have a better understanding of what "god" means.
You will be better off to believe that Jesus is the second person of the godhead than to believe that he is not.
The bible clearly teaches that God is three persons in one. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit and these three are one.
genuineoriginal
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There is no benefit in believing that.
The only benefit comes when you believe that God sent His Son and that Jesus is the Son of God that was sent.
The Bible clearly does not teach that God is three persons in one (one what? One person?).
The closest you can get is finding teaching that God is one, Jesus as the Son of God is a partaker in divinity, and that all believers are to be one with Jesus and the Father in the same manner that Jesus and the Father are one.
That is the teaching of organized Christian religion.
It is an extra-Biblical doctrine (a doctrine not found in the Bible).
It is either the doctrine of men or was divinely revealed to someone outside the recorded Word of the Bible.
excellent, amen.
Who was it that said... "Let "US" make man in our image, after "OUR" Likeness?" Genesis 1:26.
genuineoriginal
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I see nothing that teaches three gods in one in that statement.
In fact, there is not even a single verse in the Bible that teaches three gods in one.
I don't think it is a good idea to refer to the godhead as three God's in one. Even though that may be the case.
I like to think of it as three separate entities of God in one person.
The Father stays in heaven.
The Son comes into the world as the savior.
The Holy Spirit glorifies the work of the Son and works in the life of the believer.