Trying to understand the liberal mind.

[Derf]

The Devil made me do it? Nonsense.

To understand the issue one must understand that as a result of original sin, our desires are out of order: They ae Disordered. Our desires are no longer ordered to the good. Therefore, we desire things that are bad.

When we ae baptized and become members of the Family of God (Christians), with the help of God's grace we work to overcome those desires, to shed the old man and "grow" in Christ, as a new born grows and learns.

Sin for the Christian is ultimately giving in to the old man desires. Its not the Devil dangling cheese in front of us!

But he definitely still dangles the cheese.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

The Devil made me do it? Nonsense.

To understand the issue one must understand that as a result of original sin, our desires are out of order: They ae Disordered. Our desires are no longer ordered to the good. Therefore, we desire things that are bad.

When we ae baptized and become members of the Family of God (Christians), with the help of God's grace we work to overcome those desires, to shed the old man and "grow" in Christ, as a new born grows and learns.

Sin for the Christian is ultimately giving in to the old man desires. Its not the Devil dangling cheese in front of us!

But he definitely still dangles the cheese.

Meh. He might, on rare occasion, if he decides to get personally involved with some individual, or send a demon. I am sure that is rare indeed though. Mostly our disordered desires are our own worst enemy when it comes to sin.

 

[Right Divider]

Yes, that’s the standard rejoinder. But it doesn’t apply if you read the context. And if that’s the only one, which is about giving for distressed saints in other churches, does that mean we don’t pay our pastors?

Paul never accepted payment for his "pastor work". Paul kept a job as a tent maker.

 

[Gary K]

The Devil made me do it? Nonsense.

To understand the issue one must understand that as a result of original sin, our desires are out of order: They ae Disordered. Our desires are no longer ordered to the good. Therefore, we desire things that are bad.

When we ae baptized and become members of the Family of God (Christians), with the help of God's grace we work to overcome those desires, to shed the old man and "grow" in Christ, as a new born grows and learns.

Sin for the Christian is ultimately giving in to the old man desires. Its not the Devil dangling cheese in front of us!

And no scripture to back up your assertion, but your assertion doesn't even come close to addressing Jefferson's statement. He's not addressing the issue of those who believe God. Lastly it is God who sanctifies us. 1Corinthians 1:30 and Phillipians 2:13 It is impossible for us to do that ourselves.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

And no scripture to back up your assertion

This is not the place for a scriptural argument.

And anyway, I state facts. I leave the arguing to lemmings of manmade denominations like you

 

[Gary K]

This is not the place for a scriptural argument.

And anyway, I state facts. I leave the arguing to lemmings of manmade denominations like you

Your "facts" are not Biblical. And your attitude that politics is no place for scripture is dead wrong. Politics greatly need scriptural help or we wouldn't have the problems of dishonesty, cruelty, etc... in politics that we have.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Is this quote from Rousas Rushdoony accurate?

"The more a civilization advances, the deeper will its sense of sin become, because the increase of prosperity and cultural advantages will only increase the masochistic desire to pay for progress, which the individuals unconsciously believe requires atonement before enjoyment. As a result, the very liberating forces of civilization themselves call into existence the forces of enslavement. The citizens of the civilization progressively demand political enslavement as their masochistic price for advancement. As a result, the most ruthless totalitarian enslavement is invited, and the culture uses its material liberation to forge a new slavery." (Politics of Guilt and Pity, p. 12.)

From @Sherman

My husband found this on Facebook and it is very accurate assessment of modern Liberalism.

 

[Derf]

Paul never accepted payment for his "pastor work". Paul kept a job as a tent maker.

Yes, by personal choice, he did. But he argued that he had a right to be paid, just like the other apostles.
1 Corinthians 9:9-10 (KJV) 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10 Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Notice how he argued his position? By using the law. So there may be some merit in Rushdoony’s position.

 

[Gary K]

Yes, by personal choice, he did. But he argued that he had a right to be paid, just like the other apostles.
1 Corinthians 9:9-10 (KJV) 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10 Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Notice how he argued his position? By using the law. So there may be some merit in Rushdoony’s position.

The rest of the quote from ICorinthians 9 makes it very plain that those who teach the gospel should live from it too.

1Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

 

[Jefferson]

And no scripture to back up your assertion, but your assertion doesn't even come close to addressing Jefferson's statement. He's not addressing the issue of those who believe God.

Yes I am. I'm talking about Christians.

 

[Jefferson]

So that's all there is to sin? People just somehow have lust from some unknown source?

It's a very well known source. The source is our inherent sin nature.

Plus they are enticed from some unknown source.

The source that entices is either the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and/or the pride of life.

The word translated as enticed means, according to Strong's, beguiled. To be beguiled means the following:

Exactly. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and/or the pride of life is that which beguiles us.

It's what happened in the Garden of Eden and has been happening ever since. To deny that the devil isn't an active participant in luring people into sin is to deny his very nature and role in sin.

The devil is not omnipresent. He can only be present one place at a time.

 

[Gary K]

Yes I am. I'm talking about Christians.

So the following is speaking about Christians????

"The more a civilization advances, the deeper will its sense of sin become, because the increase of prosperity and cultural advantages will only increase the masochistic desire to pay for progress, which the individuals unconsciously believe requires atonement before enjoyment. As a result, the very liberating forces of civilization themselves call into existence the forces of enslavement. The citizens of the civilization progressively demand political enslavement as their masochistic price for advancement. As a result, the most ruthless totalitarian enslavement is invited, and the culture uses its material liberation to forge a new slavery." (Politics of Guilt and Pity, p. 12.)

 

[Gary K]

It's a very well known source. The source is our inherent sin nature.



The source that entices is either the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and/or the pride of life.



Exactly. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and/or the pride of life is that which beguiles us.


The devil is not omnipresent. He can only be present one place at a time.

So you're denying that the devil is the reason we have fallen natures. That's quite a pass to give him as if not for him and his deceitfulness we would not have fallen natures. You can't get around the devil being the source of all evil. He is the primary cause of all evil. He is the beguiler. He is the one that leads human beings deeper and deeper into slavery to him.

It doesn't matter if he is omnipresent or not. He is the one who has started all of this. He is the one opposing God's work to save people and he uses his angels and his subjects here on earth to help him. He is the source of all evil just as God is the source of all good.

 

[Arthur Brain]

First of all, the Democrats are now pushing outright Marxism, and one wonders what sort of mind is attracted to socialism and Marxism. One type would simply be a stupid uninformed person. The other is someone who has decided to embrace evil in their life, and has discarded all traditional Judeo-Christian morals.



I give you a fine example

Well, no, you don't. I'm not a "Marxist", nor have I ever pushed or endorsed Marxism. That you seem unable to differentiate between being moderate to center left on the political spectrum with the above is baffling.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Today's Marxist democrat party is the party of abortion and socialism, the party of gay marriage and woke cancelling of all who do not goose step in line,

The mind that is attracted to such a party is a mind void of any values, morals or ethics. It is a mind void of God's.

Those are facts, and all the propaganda snot from the egg in the Mexican hat cannot change those facts.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Read this tweet and see the Liberal mind

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468710252266889216

 

[ok doser]

Read this tweet and see the Liberal mind

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468710252266889216

Ummmmm

He is a mentally ill homeless man living in a city that is solidly Democrat-controlled, in a state that is solidly Democrat-controlled, in a country in which the Presidency is held by a Democrat, and both houses of Congress have Democrat majorities.

But it's the Republican's fault?


This is why I stay away from Twitter. It is absolutely chock-full of retards.

 

[Red Wave Rising]

Ummmmm

He is a mentally ill homeless man living in a city that is solidly Democrat-controlled, in a state that is solidly Democrat-controlled, in a country in which the Presidency is held by a Democrat, and both houses of Congress have Democrat majorities.

But it's the Republican's fault?

This is why I stay away from Twitter. It is absolutely chock-full of retards.

I am not buying the story that they caught the right man.

A homeless man, with a mental illness, in the New York winter cold, took the effort to climb way up INSIDE of a huge tree to commit arson from the INSIDE of the tree, and he chose the Fox News Tree out of them all. And the police, understaffed, defunded, in a stroke of sheer luck, found the one homeless man out of thousands who did the deed, AND they found him in half a day.

Really?

 

[Jefferson]

Politics greatly need scriptural help or we wouldn't have the problems of dishonesty, cruelty, etc... in politics that we have.

You sound exactly like Rushdoony here.

 

[Jefferson]

To deny that the devil isn't an active participant in luring people into sin is to deny his very nature and role in sin.

Key word "active."

Of course the devil started this whole sin mess the world is mired in with his direct, one on one, personal tempting of Adam and Eve. No one is denying that.

But the devil is not going to leave some world leader on the other side of the planet just to personally tempt your next door neighbor to steal some tool from his employer.

Nor will any of the devil's demons as Acts 19:13-15 shows: "Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, 'We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.' Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”

Notice those last 4 words: "but who are you?" The demon did not even know who these Jewish exorcists were.