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[glorydaz]

It is not an effective deterrent for any crime.
It is a deterrent for some people, but not for all.
So the best we can say is that SOMETIMES it is a deterrent.
Like almost anything we talk about, there will be some times it holds true and sometimes that it doesn't hold true, so we cannot pound the gavel and declare it it one way or the other.

One can say it is a deterrent, and that statement would be true SOMETIMES.
One can say it is not a deterrent, and that statement would be true SOMETIMES.
But neither statement is true for all times for all crimes.

I does help to keep people from getting caught.
They just get sneakier of get rid of any witnesses.

 

[ok doser]

I does help to keep people from getting caught.
They just get sneakier of get rid of any witnesses.

:doh:

 

[quip]

strict rules, constantly and repetitively drilled into the "students" (who are expected to know them by heart, to be able to recite them accurately when woken in the middle of the night), applied strictly, swiftly and consistently

in the ordered environment of the military, expulsion is a very real threat which can and will be applied, swiftly and consistently - and it's known in the ranks - every recruit has it drilled into him that any failure to obey the rules can lead to expulsion - and so it acts as an effective deterrent to disobedient behavior

I do hope you realize from your experience as a teacher that not all students thrive in such an environment nor is it necessarily beneficial to society that they be required to do so.

 

[ok doser]

I do hope you realize from your experience as a teacher that not all students thrive in such an environment...

not all students thrive in an environment that is safe and orderly? :freak:

 

[quip]

not all students thrive in an environment that is safe and orderly? :freak:

Not of the type you were describing.

 

[ok doser]

Not of the type you were describing.

i wasn't making the comparison to suggest that high school should be exactly like boot camp

i was making the comparison to point out the effectiveness and deterrence effect of good laws/rules

 

[quip]

i wasn't making the comparison to suggest that high school should be exactly like boot camp

i was making the comparison to point out the effectiveness and deterrence effect of good laws/rules

Ok.
Just checking your mind-set here.

 

[glorydaz]

:doh:

Don't slap your head, it might dislodge your brain.

You have to admit that child molesters to often kill the kids and hide their bodies to keep from getting caught, don't you?

 

[quip]

Don't slap your head, it might dislodge your brain.

At least you're giving him the benefit of the doubt. :up:

 

[ok doser]

You have to admit that child molesters to often kill the kids and hide their bodies to keep from getting caught, don't you?

and therefore we should eliminate all punitive laws about child molestation so they won't have to worry about getting caught

 

[glorydaz]

Did you ever hear me say that?

You're now playing the Rossenritter game. :doh:

 

[ok doser]

Did you ever hear me say that?

did you ever hear me say that you did?

 

[glorydaz]

did you ever hear me say that you did?

You were probably too busy dissin' me to listen.

I have said the law defines the crime, and the punishment is to keep the killers and child molesters off the streets.

 

[glorydaz]

did you ever hear me say that you did?

Or maybe I was too busy thinking you were telling me what I was thinking. :idunno:

 

[ok doser]

... the punishment is to keep the killers and child molesters off the streets.

and wouldn't that tend to cause killers and child molesters to be sneakier or get rid of witnesses in order to avoid getting caught?

 

[ok doser]

Or maybe I was too busy thinking you were telling me what I was thinking. :idunno:

 

[glorydaz]

and wouldn't that tend to cause killers and child molesters to be sneakier or get rid of witnesses in order to avoid getting caught?

They're already at their lowest point, but we have to catch them anyway.

The point is that the law won't have any effect, but the punishment will keep the rest of us safe.

 

[Tambora]

i wasn't making the comparison to suggest that high school should be exactly like boot camp

i was making the comparison to point out the effectiveness and deterrence effect of good laws/rules

All sounds so innocent and useful on the surface.
But let's face it, laws are enforced with force.
The more laws government makes, the more reasons they have to use force on it's citizens for just about anything they want to cook up.

 

[ok doser]

and yet, in the military they have self-limited to a point that works

 

[musterion]

JR, there's no two ways to cut this. If you're going to promote the idea that our civil and criminal law should mirror the Mosaic law, you're seeking to put yourself (and everyone else) under the Law. That's what it amounts to.

Anyone who seeks to be under the Law is under a curse.