ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
then it would appear that you are either inconsistent or you don't believe your own argument
Trump sez: Transgenders B gone!
- Thread starter ok doser
- Start date
then it would appear that you are either inconsistent or you don't believe your own argument
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
glorydaz
Well-known member
Don't talk about me if you're going to say stupid stuff. :sibbie:
Justice isn't what YOU claim it is.
So you can't accuse me of putting anything on the shelf.
The righteous man doesn't need any law, and the unrighteous will do what they want in spite of the law.
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure that out.
glorydaz
Well-known member
in my case it's justified, because i am awesome
You're no more awesome than I am, and you'd do well to remember that.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Nonsense. Don't you know the difference between a seared conscience and one for which there is still hope?
And a bit lacking in grace, mercy, and forgiveness for a sinner.
Which sinner do I want to condemn today, and which sinner do I want to forgive today?
Decisions decisions.
The choice could go either way.
glorydaz
Well-known member
I'm old enough to know that things are seldom black and white.
Do we have stories we could tell, Tam?
I knew a gal... :listen:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
we've already established that you and i have very different ideas about what utility is served by civil law
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
glorydaz
Well-known member
A husband can't for give his wife?
We can forgive those who have offended us. Don't you agree?
glorydaz
Well-known member
I know, and I'm right and you're wrong. :banana:
Probably because I know that it was the witnesses themselves that were to cast the first stone of the execution.
Individual citizens, not the authorities.
That was the way it was to be done according to the moral Mosaic law.
And probably for good reason ----- so that folks would not flippantly make accusations against someone.
They better be ready to snuff out the very life of the one they accused themselves.
What????? You don't think you can forgive anyone?????
Sad.
I've always had the ability to forgive.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Last edited:
So let me ask you this, what would be the rate at which convicted criminals guilty of committing capital crimes be for accepting Christ as their Savior IF they knew that they were going to be put to death sooner rather than later?
What about learning from what others have sown? Is that not a possibility?
How about learning that adultery destroys families and lives, and ends in death, all from the execution of adulterers and adulteresses?
Because adultery leads to death, whether it's the one who committed the crime or someone related or just someone else in society who is killed because of it.
Which does not exclude those who have committed a crime and are on death row, waiting to be punished.
And what about the ones who do have seared consciousnesses? You just going to let them go to hell without witnessing to them?
And even those who DO!
GD, you seem to be very selective in who you want to witness to...
Perhaps you're the one standing in God's way, opposing Him when you should be standing with Him.
Have you ever properly considered that?
Consider the opportunity cost of not putting capital criminals to death (in this case adulterers).
Many of those people, while they might (and a low possibility at that) end up working things out, they'll never get the one-on-one experience that they would if they were awaiting their punishment for their crime.
I've been watching a lot of Ray Comfort's videos (fabulous guy, He really knows how to share the gospel) and many of his videos show him witnessing to groups of people, but most of them are one-on-one encounters, where he and the person he's talking to are standing or sitting around talking about life and death issues. Most of the videos where he's in a larger group, the person who's on the stand that he's talking to directly usually reject what he says. But when he talks to people individually, most of the time they come a lot closer to knowing Christ than ever before, even if they don't accept Him on the video.
Which again, brings me back to my question, if haven't already answered it by this point:
What percentage of people would come to know Christ if they had a one-on-one with someone if they knew they were going to die within 48 hours of their conviction?
Duh. Including adulterers.
Why? Because you say so?
They are there to protect the innocent and punish the guilty.
But it IS what GOD claims it is.
And GOD says to execute the adulterers.
And yet, Paul says that the law is there FOR THE WICKED!
WE (as a society) NEED the law to punish the wicked, otherwise they'll just claim they didn't do anything wrong and continue doing it.
Sure he can. Going to the judge doesn't have to be the first thing he does.
Not sure why you would think he couldn't try to make things right first...
We can't forgive sin. Only God has that authority.
We can forgive someone who has harmed us, but ONLY if they repent. If they are unrepentant, then we shouldn't forgive them.
DUH! UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT!
They didn't just say "Oh this guy deserves to be put to death so lets stone him."
NO!
They went to a judge, who has authority, and HE says to put the criminal to death, and the witnesses and victims will be the ones to cast the first stones.
[QUOTEIndividual citizens, not the authorities.[/QUOTE]
Individual citizens WHO HAD THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SO!
Anything else and it would have been MURDER!
And? See above.
What's your point?
Straw man.
Doser said "forgive sinners."
Not "forgive anyone."
Only God can forgive someone who has sinned against Him.
You or I could not forgive a murderer, because we're not the one he murdered. To the extent that he has harmed us, and if he is sorry for it, we can forgive him, but we cannot forgive a murderer for forgiving someone else.
Go read http://kgov.com/automatic-forgiveness.
:blabla:
Arthur Brain
Well-known member
Well, no it hasn't you silly little man and who knows who you're on about in the latter cos I'm not an atheist. None too bright...
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
worth revisiting this, and it may shed some light on why we seem to be talking at cross purposes
i believe that civil law exists for three primary reasons
1. to punish those who break the law
2. to deter those who might otherwise engage in actions that are made illegal
3. to make clear societal expectations of permissable behavior
let's take a look at rape for an example
1. the law serves to punish those who rape
2. the law serves to deter those who might rape if it was not illegal
3. the law serves to make clear societal expectations about raping/not raping
having worked with many youth, as an educator, as a parent, as a scout leader, i've seen the tremendous importance of #3, and i've seen the confusion in young minds when societal norms are turned on their head
Last edited: