ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it's her body vs the child's life
why should her body take priority over the child's life?
Trump Says He 'Needs God Even More' as President (Who can argue with that?)
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it's her body vs the child's life
why should her body take priority over the child's life?
Its her body that sustains or rejects it.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
is that not true after birth?
No.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
a mother, at home, alone with an infant, dependent on her
The infant is viable.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
so you'd be ok with her walking out on it, leaving it alone, if she wanted to take her body out clubbing?
No.
Is that a pro-life argument?
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
What is ultimately being taught here is speaking in reference to autocracy, so it does not altogether mean what people think- Paul expresses concern for vainglory among Christians, which would cause more harm than good.
But most importantly he is teaching God's sovereignty, plain and simple. You contesting this simply shows how a person can bend biblical interpretation to mean whatever one wants it to be- twist and warp it to a point where Romans 13 may as well not even exist
That's what you all have done with the whole of the Bible, in which sovereignty, election, and providence are the consistent themes.
Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
What is ultimately being taught here is speaking in reference to autocracy, so it does not altogether mean what people think- Paul expresses concern for vainglory among Christians, which would cause more harm than good.
But most importantly he is teaching God's sovereignty, plain and simple. You contesting this simply shows how a person can bend biblical interpretation to mean whatever one wants it to be- twist and warp it to a point where Romans 13 may as well not even exist
That's what you all have done with the whole of the Bible, in which sovereignty, election, and providence are the consistent themes.
You proved nothing but your own cluelessness read into that.
And where is the part about run for Political Office and or attempt to legislate Christian morals on lost people?
No - where - to - be - found - in - Scripture.
As a result, we read; given Rome's infamous tyranny...
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
That's it.
No - run for office to try and make the lost behave as the saved.
No - try to sway Government to legislate the lost into living as the saved.
Rather...
Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all. 2:18 For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.
In other words, the instruction is to suck things up as they are, and suffer them in the Lord.
1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
Note: he is talking to and about Believers.
You're just making things up as you go.
No theologian interprets Romans 13 the way you just did, nor any sane person for that matter.
You're the one that is clueless, and a damn moronic one at that. Stop blaspheming the Bible to suit your arbitrary views.
Anyone who finds it impossible to believe that religion is anything to Trump but one of the acts he puts on. And not very well. Almost like the "pastor" of anything that can be described as a "megachurch".
What good has abortion done in America ? It has prevented an enormous number of poor women from dying or being permanently disabled and incapacitated . It has prevented an enormous amount of child neglect and abuse , because if those pregnant women had given birth , so many of those children would have lived in abject poverty , malnourishment, hunger, neglect , physical and sexual abuse , lack of medical care and lack of good education .
Abortion is a very unpleasant thing, but a necessary evil . Pro-choicers don't "like abortion" and aren't happy that they happen. They're just realistic enough to know how disastrous the illegality of abortion is for society . They want to PREVENT as many abortions as possible by preventing
unwanted pregnancies . They're not opposed to women having children . Just opposed to FORCING them to do this .
Abortion is a very unpleasant thing, but a necessary evil . Pro-choicers don't "like abortion" and aren't happy that they happen. They're just realistic enough to know how disastrous the illegality of abortion is for society . They want to PREVENT as many abortions as possible by preventing
unwanted pregnancies . They're not opposed to women having children . Just opposed to FORCING them to do this .
glassjester
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Why are there more single mothers now, than when Roe v Wade took place?
Glassjester, this is because of advrse social and economic conditions in America which make it so difficult for couples to get marry ,raise children in stable conditions and have lasting, stable marriages .
Conditions caused by the disastrous social and economic policies of the Republican party , the party of "family values ". Supply side, "trickle down " economics, which have never worked and never will .
Conditions caused by the disastrous social and economic policies of the Republican party , the party of "family values ". Supply side, "trickle down " economics, which have never worked and never will .
glassjester
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The government forced no one to get pregnant.
If a female does not want to have a baby, I would suggest not getting pregnant.
Problem solved, and without murdering a child.