ECT True or False question (Billy Graham)

[meshak]

Ok, here is about producing fruit:

Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Matt 3:8

Matthew 3:10
The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matthew 21:43
“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


Luke 3:8
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. .

Luke 3:9
The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

 

[meshak]

So without producing fruit we will be cut down, meaning no inheriting eternal life..

It is clear and simple.

 

[meshak]

Luke 10:25-37 New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked,

“what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

 

[meshak]

Isn't Jesus answering about how to inherit eternal life?

Why do you guys keep skipping it?

 

[Tambora]

Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


HINT: That one ain't you.

It is not by the righteousness and obedience of two (yours and Christ).
It is by the righteousness and obedience of one (Christ).

If you are relying on any of your own righteousness and obedience, then you are relying on the wrong one.

 

[meshak]

We agree. It 'might' help 1) to post this Acts 16:30,31 &/or 2) ask 'What can you do to be saved?' Me: John 15:5 Ephesians 2:8,9 (nothing "this NOT of yourselves") It is hard to explain this to someone that doesn't believe Paul's Epistles but even John 3 says born-again. We can't born OR born-again ourselves. In Him -Lon

Lon, why do you keep dismissing Jesus' word?

Are you one of MADs who claims His teachings are for the Jews and not for the gentiles?

blessings in His word.

 

[musterion]

Reminder:

Meshak is, or has been, more than one person. Nothing "Meshak" posts can be taken at face value as sincere.

 

[meshak]

Reminder:

Meshak is, or has been, more than one person. Nothing "Meshak" posts can be taken at face value as sincere.

I don't have multiple account.

why do you spread such false accusation?

Peace, love and many blessings in His word.

[MENTION=12969]Sherman[/MENTION],

please remind them I don't have multiple account in public.

thank you.

 

[musterion]

Never said you have multiple accounts, so stop lying.

 

[meshak]

Never said you have multiple accounts, so stop lying.

then what did you mean?

thanks.

 

[meshak]

I have been consistent claiming that Jesus' word is the gospel which is a good news.

 

[musterion]

then what did you mean?

thanks.

Look in the Woodshed.

Does your Jesus like it when you lie?

 

[meshak]

Look in the Woodshed.

Does your Jesus like it when you lie?

then please elaborate what you meant.

thanks.

 

[musterion]

then please elaborate what you meant.

thanks.

Look in the Woodshed.

 

[meshak]

Look in the Woodshed.

So you are not going to explain what you meant by more than one person?

 

[meshak]

Musterion,

I have been saying over and over that I am not sinless and not perfect.

And anyone can find all kinds of flaws if you look for it.

Why are you changing this thread to personal attacks?

Most my posts are what Jesus says about His gospel which is good news. It is not about my imperfect fruit.

 

[meshak]

Musterion,

It is obvious that you are not interested in what Jesus has to say about salvation.

So I am done with you in this thread.

love, peace and many blessings in Jesus' word.

 

[Derf]

You mean moving out of this tent in which we dwell? I'm looking forward to that.



Yes, I'm totally saved.



Which we receive when we believe. We're given the earnest of the Holy Spirit, and only await the redemption of our body at the Lord's return.



It's not presumption but full assurance based on faith. 1 Thessalonians 1:5KJV




We are to reckon ourselves dead to sin as the Word tells us, and we are to trust in the ONE who performs His work in us.

Philippians 1:6KJV Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:​

But we look forward to a more permanent tent. That permanent tent is not the one we have right now. Yes, you are right to consider yourself totally saved in that He who began a good work in us will be faithful to complete it. But it isn't complete yet. What remains to be completed???

When I say we don't want to presume upon our salvation, I mean that we should NOT continue in sin, just knowing the the good grace of our Lord will cover everything, so we do whatever we want. That means He's NOT our Lord.

Repentance means that we have the same attitude as Paul in Rom 6.

 

[Derf]

What about 33?

You don't really need Acts 16:33, when 31 says "Lord". But I agree that it shows repentance.

 

[Derf]

Sinning less saves no one.
It only takes one sin to make you guilty of the whole law.
Just one sin and you are deemed a lawless one.
Christ did not die to make men act a little better than before, Christ died to make dead men alive.
There is nothing you can give that can pay back or reimburse the debt Christ payed for you because the debt could only be payed by a spotless one.
So don't act as though you can, and don't be telling others that they are to "try" their best to pay such a debt.
The debt is paid.
You owe nothing.
No reimbursement is asked of you at all.

You shouldn't be telling folks that they are "getting there" by trying hard not to sin as much.
Their imperfection is getting them nowhere closer to paying any debt off.
Everyone is a filthy rotten lawless sinner that is guilty and has no hope without the one that is perfection, the Lord Jesus Christ.

NONE of your obedience or righteousness is included at all.
Only the obedience and righteousness of one is included.

Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


When it comes to the righteousness and obedience that saves, none of yours or mine is included.

When it comes to folks behavior in the world, we expect the same from believers and unbelievers alike ----- don't steal, don't murder, etc.
Those are not things one must become a believer in order to adhere to.

We have folks here like Meshak that are telling folks that pagans and atheists here are more Christian than believers simply because they treat her "nicer".
Those mouth should be stopped.
There is no one here that is any more or less guilty of sin than you or I.
The only thing that separates a believing sinner from an unbelieving sinner is relying on the righteousness and obedience of the only one that saves, instead of our own.

There are way too many folks here that are relying on their own, either in part or whole.
But none of their own will help them one iota when it comes to the type of righteousness and obedience necessary to save.
Only one has the correct righteousness and obedience that saves.

I agree with most of what you've said. But it isn't a dichotomy between believing and repenting. Repentance shows our belief. And if repentance shows belief, then how can we believe without repenting, assuming we have some sins to repent of (we all do).

But as [MENTION=13955]glorydaz[/MENTION] pointed out, He will complete the good work that He started in us. What did He start? A recognition that we have disobeyed God ("sinned"), and therefore need a savior, which leads to repentance.

The two can't really be separated. They are the obverse and reverse of the same coin.

If we come to Him without repentance, what does that even mean?

Secondly, what real Christian would ever want to refuse Jesus one thing that He asks? Our flesh might refuse, but our spirit wouldn't.