toldailytopic: What have you learned from the Occupy Wall Street movement?

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toldailytopic: What have you learned from the Occupy Wall Street movement?






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kmoney

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There are good and bad ways to protest, get your voice heard, and your point across.
 

steko

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1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And I might add....that world has a lot of useful idiots.
 

Ps82

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I've learned that people, who appreciate our country, and its constitution, and who understand how it all works ... and who want to protect the freedoms and opportunities it provides, behave differently from those who either want to destroy our way of life ... or are looking for a hand out.
 

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What have you learned from the Occupy Wall Street movement?


Nothing that I didn't already know: That many Americans want their share of "gubermint" handouts.

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BabyChristian

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I learned nothing other than a bunch of kids and a few adults are bored and wanted another Woodstock.


These are their demands. :eek::eek:

Though they claim, "Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands."

Why don't they put their demands on their site if this isn't true? I didn't see their true demands.

I'm not sure they know what they want, they certainly don't know anything about much when they've been interviewed.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
 

BabyChristian

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Oh here, I found their demands.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*


http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/
 

Ted L Glines

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for November 18th, 2011 10:03 AM


toldailytopic: What have you learned from the Occupy Wall Street movement?


Primarily, I have learned that, in spite of their zeal, these young people have no direction. We can all appreciate the many things they are griping about; we all are griping about the same things. But, you cannot push a civil movement on a hundred different fronts at the same time. We pushed the freedom of speech movement, as bloody as it was, to a successful conclusion because we were pushing freedom of speech and nothing else. Because of this, we got the backing and we got the press coverage, and we won. Had we been pushing a hundred other gripes, we would have been bloodied, been jailed, and we would have failed miserably.

The Occupy Wall Street activists are set to hit Washington, D.C. on the 23rd. We'll see how that goes, but it looks like D.C. is setting up to push back and it may not be pretty.
 

BabyChristian

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Primarily, I have learned that, in spite of their zeal, these young people have no direction. We can all appreciate the many things they are griping about; we all are griping about the same things. But, you cannot push a civil movement on a hundred different fronts at the same time. We pushed the freedom of speech movement, as bloody as it was, to a successful conclusion because we were pushing freedom of speech and nothing else. Because of this, we got the backing and we got the press coverage, and we won. Had we been pushing a hundred other gripes, we would have been bloodied, been jailed, and we would have failed miserably.

The Occupy Wall Street activists are set to hit Washington, D.C. on the 23rd. We'll see how that goes, but it looks like D.C. is setting up to push back and it may not be pretty.

As far as their demands (the ones they claim are real), that's where they should have been in Washington D.C. from the beginning. Obama has done more that they're complaining about than any other President from what I can see.
 

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Nothing I didn't already know about communists/nazi/ socialists. They want all the wealth and power for themselves, and will get violent to fulfil their coveting desires.

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frostmanj

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I learned that the mass media give more legitimacy to the OWS crowd as they do to the Tea Party movement. Despite the Tea Party being peaceful and having actual implementable ideas they are often portrayed as 'radicals'. OWS despite being destructive, hostile, and espousing no general consensus of implementable ideas is portrayed as a 'grass roots movement for justice'. What is the deal here? I guess an organization that is anti-capitalist is preferable over an organization that is anti-(big)government.
 

aCultureWarrior

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I learned nothing other than a bunch of kids and a few adults are bored and wanted another Woodstock.

Actually, they make sense in some of their "demands".

I'll highlight some.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

I call it "restoration of American jobs", but let the free market decide the wage. The minimum wage is ridiculous; don't they know that the cost to consumers will skyrocket, or that companies will layoff employees just to make a profit?

The next 8 are right out of the Communist Manifesto. I like this one though:

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Cut back on voter fraud. I see nothing wrong with that.

2 out of 13 I agree with.
 

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I'll highlight some more that I agree with.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

[If they mean they've given special rights to minority groups in the work place, then I agree with them. You can't give a group of people certain "rights", without taking rights away from individuals. That's a Marxist philosophy as well].

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

[Overturn Roe v Wade and we'll talk about cruel treatment to chickens Pamela Anderson. Mmmmmm, KFC does sound good for dinner].

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

[They've definitely outsourced. Not that I don't like talking to someone from India who barely speaks a word of English. But again, let the free market decide on healthcare and pay]

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

[Not that I don't enjoy messing with telemarketers 10 times a day.]

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

[I don't know about "deliberately", but products made in China are pretty faulty to begin with.]

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

[While I'm glad that there is a FDA, it's way too bureaucratic, and doesn't allow the free market to get involved in health products for the most part].

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

[They surely aren't implying that the prostitute media would LIE?]

While the majority of their "demands" are loony, as seen, a few are legitimate.
 
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