some other dude
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I don't know about mornings and evenings, but apparently it wasn't all that hard to figure out how to have night and day. :idunno:
toldailytopic: Theistic evolution: best arguments for, or against.
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I don't know about mornings and evenings, but apparently it wasn't all that hard to figure out how to have night and day. :idunno:
Well, that's a testable claim. A quick search:
The God of the Bible created all life ex nihilo (out of nothing) during six, 24 hour days of abrupt Creation. Created honey bees continue to exist as they were made, “after their kind”, as revealed in Genesis 1:21, 24.
http://www.2cor13verse5.com/?tag=ex-nihilo
All plant and animal life was created ex nihilo.
http://quizlet.com/4536238/print/
Did you think I wouldn't see that, Jack?
From Strong's:
afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day's (6), day's every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days' (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), very old* (1), when (10), when the days (1), whenever (1), while (3), whole (2), year (10), yearly (5), years (13), yesterday* (1).
http://concordances.org/hebrew/3117.htm
So, you see, there are a number of meanings that would not be absurd in the context of the Genesis creation story. "Day" is not one of them.
Barbarian observes that evolution happens to populations, not individuals.
I notice that AIG no longer says that evolutionists expect individual organisms to evolve. And the Institute for Creation Research has endorsed John Woodmorappe's argument that populations evolved into the many species we see today, from the relatively few that were on the Ark. So, we're making some progress.
Results are slow, but they do happen. You, for example, now know that evolutionary theory doesn't say individuals evolve. And that's progress of a sort.
I notice that AIG no longer says that evolutionists expect individual organisms to evolve. And the Institute for Creation Research has endorsed John Woodmorappe's argument that populations evolved into the many species we see today, from the relatively few that were on the Ark. So, we're making some progress.
Results are slow, but they do happen. You, for example, now know that evolutionary theory doesn't say individuals evolve. And that's progress of a sort.
noguru
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You can lead a creationist to logic, but you can't make them think.
some other dude
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We? What, you're part of some secret black ops internet group working to change what creationists put on their websites?
Did Al Gore train you for this when he created the internet? :chuckle:
Whereas you, in your befuddled state, will never understand that I never said that and will cling to that one little scrap of false belief to your dying day.
jeffblue101
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Show me! where does Woodmorappe states that the original Ark kinds change because of random mutations and natural selection?
In fact, "days" is one of very few that make any sense. So, if you were prepared to discuss this with some honesty and humility, you might indicate which meaning is the correct one and present your reasons for believing such.
In six afternoons, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six ages, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six alls, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six always, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six amounts, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six battles, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six birthdays, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six Chronicles, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six completelys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six continually, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six courses, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six dailys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six daily the days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six day of the days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six day that the periods, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six day's, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six day's every days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six daylights, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days on the days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days to days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days you shall dailys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days agos, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six days', God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six eachs, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six each days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six entires, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six eternities, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six evenings, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six ever in your lives, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six every days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six fates, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six firsts, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six forevers, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six forevermores, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six fulls, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six full years, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six futures, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six holidays, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six laters, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six lengths, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six lives, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six lifetimes, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six longs, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six long as i lives, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six middays, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six nows, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six olders, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six onces, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six periods, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six perpetuallys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six presents, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six recentlys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six reigns, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six ripes, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six short-liveds, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six so longs, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six some times, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six surviveds, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six times, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six todays, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six usuals, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six very olds, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six whens, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six when the days, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six whenevers, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six whiles, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six wholes, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six years, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six yearlys, God created the heavens and the Earth.
In six yesterdays, God created the heavens and the Earth.
The bible doesn't teach that the world is flat - and there did use to be a canopy covering the earth as well as the horizon being dome shaped - no issue there for me.
The angels are called stars in the bible and they did fall to earth and people today even call meteorites falling stars - no issue there for me either
Wow you got one website, where does it say it speaks for all YEC's?
Also i see no specific doctrine there that covers all yecs like you said
That God is able is one thing, how He chose to accomplish His plan is distinctly another thing altogether. The notion that He could have created everything in 6 days does not necessarily negate that it would have been possible for Him to create everything in one hour. or that He did so through natural processes.
That the Bible, as I've mentioned before, is as explicit to an evolutionary process as it is to it's denial. Speaking of birth that too is a process just as God's commands in Gen. 1 created a process.
One Eyed Jack
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Barbie, I'm pretty sure I've told you this before -- you're gonna have to do better than somebody's blog.
I think you should have seen that the answer to that question was false. Didn't you notice the answers in bold to the left of the questions?
Barbarian observes:
Well, that's a testable claim. A quick search:
Young Earth creationist says:
The God of the Bible created all life ex nihilo (out of nothing) during six, 24 hour days of abrupt Creation. Created honey bees continue to exist as they were made, “after their kind”, as revealed in Genesis 1:21, 24.
http://www.2cor13verse5.com/?tag=ex-nihilo
"No true Scotsman", um? Sorry there you are. Young Earth creationists peddling "life ex nihilo." If you reject that part of YE, then congratulations. But there's more to learn.
All plant and animal life was created ex nihilo.
http://quizlet.com/4536238/print/
Barbarian asks:
Did you think I wouldn't see that, Jack?
Why set yourself up for that, then?
Well, that's a testable claim. A quick search:
Young Earth creationist says:
The God of the Bible created all life ex nihilo (out of nothing) during six, 24 hour days of abrupt Creation. Created honey bees continue to exist as they were made, “after their kind”, as revealed in Genesis 1:21, 24.
http://www.2cor13verse5.com/?tag=ex-nihilo
"No true Scotsman", um? Sorry there you are. Young Earth creationists peddling "life ex nihilo." If you reject that part of YE, then congratulations. But there's more to learn.
All plant and animal life was created ex nihilo.
http://quizlet.com/4536238/print/
Barbarian asks:
Did you think I wouldn't see that, Jack?
Why set yourself up for that, then?
One Eyed Jack
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Sorry -- not acceptable. Anybody can make a blog.
You know I don't believe that, nor does any other YEC around here. Who do you think you're fooling, Barbarian?
You're the one who posted a link that flatly refuted your own claim. I just pointed it out. You'd think your training as a teacher would have alerted you to the fact that the answers were right beside the questions.
Well which one is it then? If a regular day is absurd, why isn't the one you are going to show me absurd?
In this case, a YE creationist, who says what you claim YE creationsts don't.
Young Earth creationists peddling "life ex nihilo." If you reject that part of YE, then congratulations.
Not since we've been pointing out that part of YEC denies God's word.
Why set yourself up for that, then?
They guy is a YE creationist, and he's asserting "life ex nihilo." Just what you claim YECs don't do.
some other dude
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One Eyed Jack
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I've never believed in life ex-nihilo, Barbarian. I've read Genesis, and I know Adam was made from the dust of the Earth.
Barbarian, your second link referenced a true-false question, the answer to which is false. It doesn't support your claim in any way.
Do you even read the links you post yourself? Did you really not see the answer? Did you think we wouldn't see it? Or did you think that since you pasted a link, people would think you were proving your claim without bothering to check? Have you forgotten where you were?