Thunder's Muse
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Yeah, it does help if you are able to understand yourself, the triggers etc.
It's such a facinating and impossibly complex subject... I could talk about this stuff all day :chuckle:
toldailytopic: Should being diagnosed insane excuse capital punishment?
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Yeah, it does help if you are able to understand yourself, the triggers etc.
It's such a facinating and impossibly complex subject... I could talk about this stuff all day :chuckle:
oatmeal
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We should probably move this to another thread.
In the interim, you might read This
If you want I'll start a thread, although it's been my experience that pretty much everyone on this site is under the delusion that there really are so-called mental illnesses contrary to everything that God has said about being free from fear, anxiety, depression, and having a sound mind. For the most part, pseudo science trumps God again in the minds of so-called believers. :sigh:
eameece
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Everyone should be excused from capital punishment. It is one more indication that we Americans are more barbaric than other peoples.
In a day and age when it has been proven by DNA testing that many prisoners held for murder are not guilty, we should not be executing people who might be innocent like Troy Davis.
When Georgia murders a corporation, then I'll believe corporations are people.
Coffee is King
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If you want to make it just one-on-one, you can always send me a PM. I'm not online everyday (I find it taxing), but when I'm on, we can certainly speak. Thank you for the link, Brother Ghost.
eameece
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Thunder's Muse
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So what. There are corrupt governments elsewhere, and the people don't murder nearly as much because they know they themselves will be executed. The Bible says it is a deterent.
Deuteronomy 17
11 According to the sentence of the law in which they instruct you, according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left from the sentence which they pronounce upon you. 12 Now the man who acts presumptuously and will not heed the priest who stands to minister there before the LORD your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall put away the evil from Israel. 13 And all the people shall hear and fear, and no longer act presumptuously.
The Bible says to execute for manslaughter and negligent homicide. Meaning it was an accident, but completely avoidable, like drunk driving fatality. The Bible mentions an ox that is known to gore and the owner let him out. So yeah, there are reason to execute besides intentional shedding of innocent blood (murder)
eameece
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What it really boils down to is we have become more concerned with the guilty than with the innocent.
Then why do I read stories in the papers about how DAs ignore evidence that exonerates people? Why do I see so many cases on TV of people being sentenced to death even though they are obviously innocent, because juries these days assume people are guilty?
No, fear rules us today, and we'd rather lock up innocent people than allow even one guilty person to go free. We today in America are a borderline police state. And certain lawmakers want to extend this abroad too.
Coffee is King
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Have you ever read "World War Z" by Max Brooks? There is a great line in there about what you are saying.
Lon
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No. I don't think it matters if you kill somebody who is sane or insane, the punishment is still the same, but murdering insane people just seems mean....
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Silent Hunter
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:yawn: . . . true to my (self-imposed) prediction, the "No True Scotsman Fallacy" rears its ugly face.
:sigh:
oatmeal
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Quincy
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Dude, you're something else! It's kind of cool we are from the same place, pretty much live the same way and actually post on here. I myself don't drink or smoke either, don't gamble either. The only one of those things I've done is drink and I hate it to be honest. I only did it cause others would push me too, but it was short lived.
Pop music is my biggest trigger! That and it's subgenres are my some of favorites to listen to also, so yea. Big temptations when someone like say, Lady Gaga releases a new album.
Same here, I went to college to get a psychology degree and finished a couple years of it. I couldn't keep focused enough to go all the way though
. Anyways, if anyone makes a companion thread to this, I'll post in it also. Love your new avatar! I'd pos rep you but I've repped too much in 24 hours. I dislike that bottleneck.
Silent Hunter
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You'd do better if you kept notes while you read along. See here.
This is somewhat of a false dichotomy but I think straw man is a better descriptor.
Silent Hunter
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You should try paying attention first, you'll find it to be cheaper in the long run.
toldailytopic: Should being diagnosed insane excuse capital punishment? |
Not wanting to derail this thread and I'm not sure if this will relate to the topic question: Should being diagnosed insane excuse capital punishment? But it promoted me to recall from a number of years ago...
A man whose wife had come home from work and when she came through the door this man got up and shoot her, she fell to the floor and moved and the man shot her again and she died. The man called the police and told them what he had done, the police arrived did their usual business, called the coroner, and took the man to jail. The man was brought before the judge and the man pled guilty to killing his wife and would forgo a trial by jury, and was sentenced a month later.
During the month that this man awaited sentencing he went through some psychiatric tests and evaluation due to the the man did not know why he shot and killed his wife, and determined that he would probably never know or understand why. It three court sessions to get the man sentenced because he would break down so badly, on the fourth court session this man's attorney asked the court to get the sentencing done explaining that the man may never know why he killed his wife, with that the man was sentenced to 16 years to the state mental hospital, he served eight of the sixteen, did two years at a minimum security facility, and was then released to a family member.
I don't know how this relates except to say that I believe there is a small percentage of those who commit a capital crime that have no idea what they have done, I would say that if that is the case and the sentence for their crime can be death, that sentence should held until they understand what they have done. I do believe in the use of the death penalty and that it should be given and applied when there is no doubt.
The man in the above event was a friend of mine for a long time (until his death), I even wrote to him while was in the state mental hospital and at the minimum security facility, he died in 2002 and his daughter said that he never did come understand or a comprehension of what he had done.
A man whose wife had come home from work and when she came through the door this man got up and shoot her, she fell to the floor and moved and the man shot her again and she died. The man called the police and told them what he had done, the police arrived did their usual business, called the coroner, and took the man to jail. The man was brought before the judge and the man pled guilty to killing his wife and would forgo a trial by jury, and was sentenced a month later.
During the month that this man awaited sentencing he went through some psychiatric tests and evaluation due to the the man did not know why he shot and killed his wife, and determined that he would probably never know or understand why. It three court sessions to get the man sentenced because he would break down so badly, on the fourth court session this man's attorney asked the court to get the sentencing done explaining that the man may never know why he killed his wife, with that the man was sentenced to 16 years to the state mental hospital, he served eight of the sixteen, did two years at a minimum security facility, and was then released to a family member.
I don't know how this relates except to say that I believe there is a small percentage of those who commit a capital crime that have no idea what they have done, I would say that if that is the case and the sentence for their crime can be death, that sentence should held until they understand what they have done. I do believe in the use of the death penalty and that it should be given and applied when there is no doubt.
The man in the above event was a friend of mine for a long time (until his death), I even wrote to him while was in the state mental hospital and at the minimum security facility, he died in 2002 and his daughter said that he never did come understand or a comprehension of what he had done.
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Why does it matter that he understands what he did?
"Officer, I know you clocked me going 70 in a 40, but I don't know why I did it, so don't give me a ticket until I figure it out".
Why does it matter that he understands what he did?
"Officer, I know you clocked me going 70 in a 40, but I don't know why I did it, so don't give me a ticket until I figure it out".
I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, did I not post I wasn't sure how my post would relate, I just happen to remember what had happened and how it turned out.
Apparently it mattered to the man's attorney and the judge, and that might be the case.
Apparently it mattered to the man's attorney and the judge, and that might be the case.
Third.
Danger is danger. If you can't control it that is even more reason to remove you from society, permanently.
Locking you up only puts the guards, staff and those locked up with you in danger.
Translation: :blabla:
So you don't believe in mercy?